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Puzzle Time - Potato Curves

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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:21 last edited by
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    Given two potatoes, can you draw a closed curve on the surface of each so that the two curves are identical as curves in three-dimensional space?

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      Klaus
      wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:41 last edited by
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      I assume this is possible.

      I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

      Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

      I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

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        Horace
        wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:46 last edited by
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        I assume this is possible.

        And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • H Horace
          24 Mar 2022, 15:46

          I assume this is possible.

          And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:55 last edited by
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          @Horace said in Puzzle Time - Potato Curves:

          I assume this is possible.

          And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

          Actually there are an infinite number of such curves and some are roughly as large as the smaller potato

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • K Klaus
            24 Mar 2022, 15:41

            I assume this is possible.

            I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

            Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

            I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

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            jon-nyc
            wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:56 last edited by
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            @Klaus said in Puzzle Time - Potato Curves:

            I assume this is possible.

            I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

            Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

            I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

            Assume they’re regular potatoes. In actual fact this works with any two shapes, you could use a spiky polyhedron and a donut.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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              jon-nyc
              wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:57 last edited by jon-nyc
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              Here’s the hint that gives it away:

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              Imagine solving it with holograms of the potatoes.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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                Horace
                wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 15:58 last edited by
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                oh right. Overlap them. Clever.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  jon-nyc
                  wrote on 24 Mar 2022, 16:00 last edited by
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                  The answer comes out Saturday. I’m curious if they’ll share a rigorous theorem or just say “imagine the holograms”

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