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Puzzle Time - Potato Curves

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  • jon-nycJ Online
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    jon-nyc
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    Given two potatoes, can you draw a closed curve on the surface of each so that the two curves are identical as curves in three-dimensional space?

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      I assume this is possible.

      I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

      Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

      I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

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        I assume this is possible.

        And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          I assume this is possible.

          And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

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          jon-nyc
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          @Horace said in Puzzle Time - Potato Curves:

          I assume this is possible.

          And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

          Actually there are an infinite number of such curves and some are roughly as large as the smaller potato

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • KlausK Klaus

            I assume this is possible.

            I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

            Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

            I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

            jon-nycJ Online
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            jon-nyc
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            @Klaus said in Puzzle Time - Potato Curves:

            I assume this is possible.

            I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

            Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

            I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

            Assume they’re regular potatoes. In actual fact this works with any two shapes, you could use a spiky polyhedron and a donut.

            "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
            -Cormac McCarthy

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #6

              Here’s the hint that gives it away:

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              Imagine solving it with holograms of the potatoes.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • HoraceH Online
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                oh right. Overlap them. Clever.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  The answer comes out Saturday. I’m curious if they’ll share a rigorous theorem or just say “imagine the holograms”

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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