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Puzzle Time - Potato Curves

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  • jon-nycJ Offline
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    Given two potatoes, can you draw a closed curve on the surface of each so that the two curves are identical as curves in three-dimensional space?

    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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      I assume this is possible.

      I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

      Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

      I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

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        I assume this is possible.

        And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

        Education is extremely important.

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        • HoraceH Horace

          I assume this is possible.

          And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

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          @Horace said in Puzzle Time - Potato Curves:

          I assume this is possible.

          And I assume that, in practice, the largest possible identical closed curves would be so small as to render the real-world framing of the question absurd.

          Actually there are an infinite number of such curves and some are roughly as large as the smaller potato

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • KlausK Klaus

            I assume this is possible.

            I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

            Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

            I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

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            @Klaus said in Puzzle Time - Potato Curves:

            I assume this is possible.

            I assume this follows from Brouwer's fixed point theorem.

            Are there any assumptions about the shape of the potatoes? I assume the assumption is that they are topologically equivalent, e.g., the case where one of the potatoes is shaped like a donut or Moebius ring isn't allowed, right?

            I assume the potatoes are not necessarily convex.

            Assume they’re regular potatoes. In actual fact this works with any two shapes, you could use a spiky polyhedron and a donut.

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              Here’s the hint that gives it away:

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              Imagine solving it with holograms of the potatoes.

              Only non-witches get due process.

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                oh right. Overlap them. Clever.

                Education is extremely important.

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                  The answer comes out Saturday. I’m curious if they’ll share a rigorous theorem or just say “imagine the holograms”

                  Only non-witches get due process.

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