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  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

    A joke from Moscow: "According to Putin the special military operation is really a conflict btw Russia and NATO about World dominance. Whats the situation now?" "Russia has lost 15000 troops, 6 generals, 500 tanks, 3 ships, 100 planes and 1000 trucks. NATO hasn't arrived yet."

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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #161

    @jon-nyc 😂

    That sound exactly like the Radio Yerevan jokes that circulated over there during Soviet times.

    Elbows up!

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      #162

      Do you like to eat?

      Maybe Russia isn't so evil.

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      https://www.foxnews.com/

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      • CopperC Copper

        Do you like to eat?

        Maybe Russia isn't so evil.

        ca772aba-96d2-4fd8-a5ca-7101023f1ad0-image.png

        https://www.foxnews.com/

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        George K
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        #163

        @Copper

        image.jpeg

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          Copper
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          #164

          Maybe I'll head over to the supermarket tomorrow to watch the panic.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
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            #165

            Duds:

            Russian missiles in Ukraine have failure rate of up to 60%, U.S. officials say

            Russian precision-guided missiles are failing up to 60% of the time in Ukraine, three U.S. officials with knowledge of intelligence on the issue told Reuters, a possible explanation for the poor progress of Russia's invasion.

            Since President Vladimir Putin ordered the invasion of Ukraine on Feb. 24, Russia has failed to achieve basic objectives such as neutralizing Ukraine's air force despite a vastly larger armed forces.

            The U.S. officials, who spoke on condition of anonymity due to the sensitivity of the information, did not provide evidence to support the assessment and did not disclose what precisely was driving high Russian missile failure rates.

            Reuters was unable to independently verify the figures.

            Though Reuters could not determine what a standard failure rate would be for air-launched cruise missiles, two experts interviewed by Reuters said any failure rate of 20% and above would be considered high.

            U.S. defense officials told reporters this week that the Pentagon assesses that Russia has launched more than 1,100 missiles of all kinds since the war began. The U.S. officials have so far not said how many of those hit their targets and how many failed to do so.

            Citing U.S. intelligence, three U.S. officials said the United States estimated that Russia's failure rate varied day-to-day, depended on the type of missile being launched, and could sometimes exceed 50%. Two of them said it reached as high as 60%.

            One of the officials said the intelligence showed that Russia's air-launched cruise missiles had a failure rate in the 20% to 60% range, depending on the day.

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
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              #166

              That ship that was blown up?

              It appears on Russian TV "News" two days earlier:

              Link to video

              Best comment: "This ship is so sophisticated. Allegedly it can also become a submarine."

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                #167

                It's well on its way to doing so.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  #168

                  Updated with some new calculations - on the far right is a column showing the relative losses of Ukrainian vs Russian equipment.

                  Also losses per day since March 16.

                  Screen Shot 2022-03-25 at 9.47.51 AM.png

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    #169

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      #170

                      "Those really are survivability ratios at par with World War II, before the advent of modern medicine."

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        "Those really are survivability ratios at par with World War II, before the advent of modern medicine."

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                        Renauda
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                        #171

                        @George-K

                        Multiply both those number by 4 and you’ll have a fairly accurate number. Approaching the same numbers the Pentagon and Brits are estimating.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @George-K

                          Multiply both those number by 4 and you’ll have a fairly accurate number. Approaching the same numbers the Pentagon and Brits are estimating.

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                          #172

                          @Renauda I saw a story (I think it was on Forbes) that the Ukrainians have more, yes MORE, tanks now than they did at the beginning of the "special mission." Despite their losses, they have captured more abandoned tanks than they have lost. I think Forbes said they are up 49 tanks overall.

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #173

                            Interesting thread.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              #174

                              The oligarchs are going for redemption. Also to get out of the sanctions.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-says-russian-oligarch-roman-abramovich-has-been-trying-to-help-ukraine-during-russia-s-invasion/ar-AAVzH1F?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e35b85ed0edd4af18c3710f79a734d39

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                @Doctor-Phibes

                                Unless someone sends me a specific link I avoid US media sources. Like you, I too follow the BBC reports as well several European sources in English. Our own CBC is not too bad although it is more or less BBC lite. For print media the National Post and Globe and Mail from time to time also provide some fairly decent analysis depending on the topic.

                                There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.

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                                #175

                                @Renauda There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
                                ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                                https://thebestschools.org/magazine/most-influential-think-tanks/

                                Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #176

                                  Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

                                  Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                                  • Catseye3C Catseye3

                                    Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

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                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #177

                                    @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

                                    He has an opinion about everything, so yes. He's been wearing the Ukrainian flag for the last month.

                                    He's very anti-Putin, and says that he's essentially a gangster that has taken over the country.

                                    FWIW, he doesn't think that it's likely that Putin will get stabbed in the back by his own people as he's completely surrounded himself with yes-men.

                                    I was only joking

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                                      #178

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

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                                        George K
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                                        #179

                                        @jon-nyc what the actual hell?

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #180

                                          The stories get more Byzantine as time passes.

                                          Elbows up!

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