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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #568

    What's the politics behind this?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #569

      "Refused to fight"

      Really?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Offline
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        #570

        I take that as a good thing.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • George KG George K

          What's the politics behind this?

          jon-nycJ Online
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          jon-nyc
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          #571

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

          What's the politics behind this?

          Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

          Only non-witches get due process.

          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            What's the politics behind this?

            Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

            George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by George K
            #572

            @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

            Why doesn’t Germany just say “how cute, you have an opinion”

            In the thread, there are comments saying that the contracts under which Germany acquired the weapons have restrictions as to how they can, and IF they can, sell/give to 3rd parties.

            And, because I'm a Twitter n00b, I can't find it.

            Wait...

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #573

              Supposedly Turkey has backed off of its opposition to Sweden's NATO membership.

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
                wrote on last edited by Mik
                #574

                Good. But I wonder what that cost us.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG George K

                  "Refused to fight"

                  Really?

                  RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #575

                  @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  "Refused to fight"

                  Really?

                  There may be something to that, though I would like to see more reporting and think tank commentary on it.

                  https://www.kyivpost.com/ukraine-politics/sources-ukrainian-citizens-dragooned-into-uniform-for-rf-refusing-to-fight.html

                  Elbows up!

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
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                    #576

                    Meanwhile, back at a far greater tragedy...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-fighter-jet-shot-down-by-ukraine-air-force-in-dogfight/ar-AAXO2dK?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=8439b694a5804a9ba9ee6358d4ebc5a0

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #577

                      I'm reading that things are not going all that well in the East, and the Russians are making gains, albeit slowly.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #578

                        No idea if it's true, but...

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #579

                          Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • MikM Mik

                            Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                            George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #580

                            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Sounds pretty credible. We will see.

                            This guy is keeping track of Russian and Ukrainian losses - but only those with photo-documentation of said losses.

                            He claims a total of 736 Russian tanks lost as of tonight.

                            By his count

                            20 T90s
                            132 T80s

                            The rest are T70s or older/inferior.

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #581

                              It's amazing what you can't do with an unmotivated, uninformed, ill equipped and poorly led army.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #582

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #583

                                  Only non-witches get due process.

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                                  • JollyJ Offline
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                                    wrote on last edited by
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                                    Over 40? No problemo...

                                    https://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-law-scrapping-military-090818055.html

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    • JollyJ Jolly

                                      Over 40? No problemo...

                                      https://news.yahoo.com/putin-signs-law-scrapping-military-090818055.html

                                      George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #585

                                      @Jolly it sure smacks of desperation, but the numeric advantage that the Russians have is substantial. OTOH, training will play a HUGE role, and the ability to deliver combat-ready recruits within weeks, who are middle-aged, well...

                                      Into the grinder.

                                      Ukraine claims 30K KIA. Add MIA, captured and injured, you're over 100K soldiers. It can't be too long before this starts to resonate with the folks back home.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @Jolly it sure smacks of desperation, but the numeric advantage that the Russians have is substantial. OTOH, training will play a HUGE role, and the ability to deliver combat-ready recruits within weeks, who are middle-aged, well...

                                        Into the grinder.

                                        Ukraine claims 30K KIA. Add MIA, captured and injured, you're over 100K soldiers. It can't be too long before this starts to resonate with the folks back home.

                                        RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #586

                                        @George-K

                                        So far Putin has been relying on his colonial troops - non Russian ethnics from the Caucasus and Siberia to feed into his meat grinder. The ethnic Russians making up the senior NCO’s and officers for flavour. Looks like he’s now turning some older ones who may have received better basic training at one time in the past.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @George-K

                                          So far Putin has been relying on his colonial troops - non Russian ethnics from the Caucasus and Siberia to feed into his meat grinder. The ethnic Russians making up the senior NCO’s and officers for flavour. Looks like he’s now turning some older ones who may have received better basic training at one time in the past.

                                          George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #587

                                          @Renauda what's your overall sense of how things are going?

                                          My impression, just from what I see on Twitter and the news, is that the fight in the East is at least a stalemate, with the Russians making slow progress. OTOH, the rate of attrition might slow, or even reverse that.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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