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    George K
    wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 14:04 last edited by
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    https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/russia-colonel-killed-high-ranking-officer-ukraine-war-denis-mezhuev-b994316.html

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      jon-nyc
      wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 14:19 last edited by
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      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
      -Cormac McCarthy

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      • A Aqua Letifer
        14 Apr 2022, 17:09

        Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

        My question is, what about the interim period between NATO application and membership? I know they're working on security guarantees but how is the rest of the world going to view an attack from Russia during this interim period?

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        Renauda
        wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 16:24 last edited by
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        @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

        https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

        Further to my earlier response, the Russians are being, as always, more than just a little disingenuous with this threat. The fact is that Russia has for some years now, already deployed nuclear weapons in the Kaliningrad region (formerly Konigsburg, East Prussia) of the Baltic Sea.

        Elbows up!

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 17:05 last edited by
          #346

          Please love yourself.

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            15 Apr 2022, 17:05

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            Renauda
            wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 17:13 last edited by Renauda
            #347

            @Aqua-Letifer

            Has that been confirmed?☝

            Elbows up!

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              15 Apr 2022, 17:13

              @Aqua-Letifer

              Has that been confirmed?☝

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              Aqua Letifer
              wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 17:14 last edited by
              #348

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Aqua-Letifer

              Has that been confirmed?☝

              No. 😞

              Please love yourself.

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              • A Aqua Letifer
                15 Apr 2022, 17:14

                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                @Aqua-Letifer

                Has that been confirmed?☝

                No. 😞

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                Renauda
                wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 17:16 last edited by
                #349

                @Aqua-Letifer 😀

                Elbows up!

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 17:43 last edited by Mik
                  #350

                  Likely not, but it's a lovely thought. It makes me happy, kind of like sunflowers and blue skies.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    George K
                    wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 21:29 last edited by
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                    Regarding the sinking of "The Moskva..."

                    Brit Hume tweeted:

                    "Russia, of course, said it was an onboard fire that ignited ammunition, not Ukrainian missiles. Then Russia said it would retaliate. Against whom? The god of fire?"

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 21:37 last edited by
                      #352

                      😆

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • G George K
                        15 Apr 2022, 21:29

                        Regarding the sinking of "The Moskva..."

                        Brit Hume tweeted:

                        "Russia, of course, said it was an onboard fire that ignited ammunition, not Ukrainian missiles. Then Russia said it would retaliate. Against whom? The god of fire?"

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 22:01 last edited by
                        #353

                        @George-K

                        That poor crew….and here they thought they had been saved from that burning ship.

                        Elbows up!

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                          Mik
                          wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 22:03 last edited by
                          #354

                          Lists of weapons he wants.... Zelensky says it's Groundhog Day.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-says-he-s-tired-of-western-leaders-asking-him-over-and-over-to-provide-a-wishlist-of-weapons-ukraine-needs-it-s-groundhog-day-i-feel-like-bill-murray/ar-AAWfRNC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=58868c2351c043a8b092ea1c540a2845

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 22:09 last edited by
                            #355

                            This means WAR!

                            (ffs)

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • G George K
                              15 Apr 2022, 22:09

                              This means WAR!

                              (ffs)

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                              Doctor Phibes
                              wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 22:54 last edited by
                              #356

                              @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              This means WAR!

                              (ffs)

                              Conscription will really improve the quality of the Russian forces no end

                              I was only joking

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 22:58 last edited by
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                                "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 23:00 last edited by
                                  #358

                                  Firing missiles from a ship in the Black Sea ≠ War.

                                  Sinking said ship with cruise missile = War.

                                  What kind of sick thinking is this?

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • G George K
                                    15 Apr 2022, 23:00

                                    Firing missiles from a ship in the Black Sea ≠ War.

                                    Sinking said ship with cruise missile = War.

                                    What kind of sick thinking is this?

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 23:19 last edited by
                                    #359

                                    @George-K

                                    So I take it “the military operation” really did not go according to plan after all.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 23:34 last edited by
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                                      "Here is your dead son."

                                      Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscow’s invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.

                                      The country’s IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.

                                      The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.

                                      The West’s solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiers’ parents, she said, is “classic psychological warfare” and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.

                                      “If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric,’ ” she said. “And is it actually working? Or is it making them say: ‘Look at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?’ ”

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • G George K
                                        15 Apr 2022, 23:34

                                        "Here is your dead son."

                                        Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscow’s invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.

                                        The country’s IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.

                                        The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.

                                        The West’s solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiers’ parents, she said, is “classic psychological warfare” and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.

                                        “If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric,’ ” she said. “And is it actually working? Or is it making them say: ‘Look at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?’ ”

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 23:49 last edited by Renauda
                                        #361

                                        @George-K

                                        Yes it’s a cold and heartless tactic, but is it a war crime?

                                        Probably not No.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 15 Apr 2022, 23:49 last edited by
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                                          There is a point to be made, but let’s keep in mind who started the barbarity.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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