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  • jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nycJ Online
    jon-nyc
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    #344

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    Only non-witches get due process.

    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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    • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

      Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

      My question is, what about the interim period between NATO application and membership? I know they're working on security guarantees but how is the rest of the world going to view an attack from Russia during this interim period?

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by
      #345

      @Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Nukes threatened if Sweden or Finland join NATO.

      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/russia-warns-baltic-nuclear-deployment-if-nato-admits-sweden-finland-2022-04-14/

      Further to my earlier response, the Russians are being, as always, more than just a little disingenuous with this threat. The fact is that Russia has for some years now, already deployed nuclear weapons in the Kaliningrad region (formerly Konigsburg, East Prussia) of the Baltic Sea.

      Elbows up!

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      • Aqua LetiferA Offline
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        Aqua Letifer
        wrote on last edited by
        #346

        Please love yourself.

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        • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #347

          @Aqua-Letifer

          Has that been confirmed?☝

          Elbows up!

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          • RenaudaR Renauda

            @Aqua-Letifer

            Has that been confirmed?☝

            Aqua LetiferA Offline
            Aqua LetiferA Offline
            Aqua Letifer
            wrote on last edited by
            #348

            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Aqua-Letifer

            Has that been confirmed?☝

            No. 😞

            Please love yourself.

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            • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Aqua-Letifer

              Has that been confirmed?☝

              No. 😞

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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #349

              @Aqua-Letifer 😀

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Away
                MikM Away
                Mik
                wrote on last edited by Mik
                #350

                Likely not, but it's a lovely thought. It makes me happy, kind of like sunflowers and blue skies.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
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                  #351

                  Regarding the sinking of "The Moskva..."

                  Brit Hume tweeted:

                  "Russia, of course, said it was an onboard fire that ignited ammunition, not Ukrainian missiles. Then Russia said it would retaliate. Against whom? The god of fire?"

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Away
                    MikM Away
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #352

                    😆

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG George K

                      Regarding the sinking of "The Moskva..."

                      Brit Hume tweeted:

                      "Russia, of course, said it was an onboard fire that ignited ammunition, not Ukrainian missiles. Then Russia said it would retaliate. Against whom? The god of fire?"

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #353

                      @George-K

                      That poor crew….and here they thought they had been saved from that burning ship.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Away
                        MikM Away
                        Mik
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                        #354

                        Lists of weapons he wants.... Zelensky says it's Groundhog Day.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-says-he-s-tired-of-western-leaders-asking-him-over-and-over-to-provide-a-wishlist-of-weapons-ukraine-needs-it-s-groundhog-day-i-feel-like-bill-murray/ar-AAWfRNC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=58868c2351c043a8b092ea1c540a2845

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • George KG Offline
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                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #355

                          This means WAR!

                          (ffs)

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • George KG George K

                            This means WAR!

                            (ffs)

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                            Doctor Phibes
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #356

                            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            This means WAR!

                            (ffs)

                            Conscription will really improve the quality of the Russian forces no end

                            I was only joking

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nycJ Online
                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #357

                              9FDB0B96-E053-4BF5-8A12-A5427310EB52.jpeg

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #358

                                Firing missiles from a ship in the Black Sea ≠ War.

                                Sinking said ship with cruise missile = War.

                                What kind of sick thinking is this?

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG George K

                                  Firing missiles from a ship in the Black Sea ≠ War.

                                  Sinking said ship with cruise missile = War.

                                  What kind of sick thinking is this?

                                  RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #359

                                  @George-K

                                  So I take it “the military operation” really did not go according to plan after all.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #360

                                    "Here is your dead son."

                                    Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscow’s invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.

                                    The country’s IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.

                                    The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.

                                    The West’s solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiers’ parents, she said, is “classic psychological warfare” and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.

                                    “If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric,’ ” she said. “And is it actually working? Or is it making them say: ‘Look at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?’ ”

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • George KG George K

                                      "Here is your dead son."

                                      Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscow’s invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.

                                      The country’s IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.

                                      The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.

                                      The West’s solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiers’ parents, she said, is “classic psychological warfare” and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.

                                      “If it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, ‘Oh, my God, that’s barbaric,’ ” she said. “And is it actually working? Or is it making them say: ‘Look at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?’ ”

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #361

                                      @George-K

                                      Yes it’s a cold and heartless tactic, but is it a war crime?

                                      Probably not No.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #362

                                        There is a point to be made, but let’s keep in mind who started the barbarity.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                                          @George-K

                                          Yes it’s a cold and heartless tactic, but is it a war crime?

                                          Probably not No.

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by George K
                                          #363

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          @George-K

                                          Yes it’s accold and heartless tactic, but is it a war crime?

                                          Probably not No.

                                          Supposedly, photographing POWs and KIAs does qualify as war crimes. There was some discussion about this in the early days where Russian POWs were videoed saying they didn't know why they were there, etc.

                                          I'm not disputing the efficacy of the tactic, just thinking how the Russians can use this as propaganda.

                                          https://jonathanturley.org/2022/03/02/does-the-russian-pows-violate-the-geneva-conventions/

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                                          The International Red Cross and other international humanitarian groups have long condemned the filming for POWs for propaganda or public messaging.

                                          “Being exposed to ‘public curiosity’ as a prisoner of war, even when such exposure is not accompanied by insulting remarks or actions, is humiliating in itself and therefore specifically prohibited. For the purposes of the present article, ‘public’ should be interpreted as referring to anyone who is not directly involved in handling the prisoners of war, including other members of the Detaining Power. Exposure to public curiosity can take many forms. The prohibition undoubtedly covers parading prisoners in public. Moreover, prisoners must not be exposed to humiliation when they leave their camp for work, are transferred to another facility or are being repatriated. In modern conflicts, the prohibition also covers, subject to the considerations discussed below, the disclosure of photographic and video images, recordings of interrogations or private conversations or personal correspondence or any other private data, irrespective of which public communication channel is used, including the internet. Although this is seemingly different from being marched through a hostile crowd, such disclosure could still be humiliating and jeopardize the safety of the prisoners’ families and of the prisoners themselves once they are released.”

                                          During the Iraq War and other conflicts, the United States has objected to the filming of American POWs as a violation of Article 13.

                                          There have been debates over the use of photos where the identity of POWs are obscured but that is not the case in the Ukrainian footage.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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