The Ukraine war thread
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Regarding the sinking of "The Moskva..."
Brit Hume tweeted:
"Russia, of course, said it was an onboard fire that ignited ammunition, not Ukrainian missiles. Then Russia said it would retaliate. Against whom? The god of fire?"
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Regarding the sinking of "The Moskva..."
Brit Hume tweeted:
"Russia, of course, said it was an onboard fire that ignited ammunition, not Ukrainian missiles. Then Russia said it would retaliate. Against whom? The god of fire?"
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Lists of weapons he wants.... Zelensky says it's Groundhog Day.
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
This means WAR!
(ffs)
Conscription will really improve the quality of the Russian forces no end
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Firing missiles from a ship in the Black Sea â War.
Sinking said ship with cruise missile = War.
What kind of sick thinking is this?
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Firing missiles from a ship in the Black Sea â War.
Sinking said ship with cruise missile = War.
What kind of sick thinking is this?
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Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscowâs invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.
The countryâs IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.
The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.
The Westâs solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiersâ parents, she said, is âclassic psychological warfareâ and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.
âIf it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, âOh, my God, thatâs barbaric,â â she said. âAnd is it actually working? Or is it making them say: âLook at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?â â
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscowâs invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.
The countryâs IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.
The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.
The Westâs solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiersâ parents, she said, is âclassic psychological warfareâ and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.
âIf it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, âOh, my God, thatâs barbaric,â â she said. âAnd is it actually working? Or is it making them say: âLook at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?â â
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Yes itâs accold and heartless tactic, but is it a war crime?
Probably notNo.Supposedly, photographing POWs and KIAs does qualify as war crimes. There was some discussion about this in the early days where Russian POWs were videoed saying they didn't know why they were there, etc.
I'm not disputing the efficacy of the tactic, just thinking how the Russians can use this as propaganda.
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/03/02/does-the-russian-pows-violate-the-geneva-conventions/
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The International Red Cross and other international humanitarian groups have long condemned the filming for POWs for propaganda or public messaging.
âBeing exposed to âpublic curiosityâ as a prisoner of war, even when such exposure is not accompanied by insulting remarks or actions, is humiliating in itself and therefore specifically prohibited. For the purposes of the present article, âpublicâ should be interpreted as referring to anyone who is not directly involved in handling the prisoners of war, including other members of the Detaining Power. Exposure to public curiosity can take many forms. The prohibition undoubtedly covers parading prisoners in public. Moreover, prisoners must not be exposed to humiliation when they leave their camp for work, are transferred to another facility or are being repatriated. In modern conflicts, the prohibition also covers, subject to the considerations discussed below, the disclosure of photographic and video images, recordings of interrogations or private conversations or personal correspondence or any other private data, irrespective of which public communication channel is used, including the internet. Although this is seemingly different from being marched through a hostile crowd, such disclosure could still be humiliating and jeopardize the safety of the prisonersâ families and of the prisoners themselves once they are released.â
During the Iraq War and other conflicts, the United States has objected to the filming of American POWs as a violation of Article 13.
There have been debates over the use of photos where the identity of POWs are obscured but that is not the case in the Ukrainian footage.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscowâs invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.
The countryâs IT Army, a volunteer force of hackers and activists that takes its direction from the Ukrainian government, says it has used those identifications to inform the families of the deaths of 582 Russians, including by sending them photos of the abandoned corpses.
The Ukrainians champion the use of face-scanning software from the U.S. tech firm Clearview AI as a brutal but effective way to stir up dissent inside Russia, discourage other fighters and hasten an end to a devastating war.
The Westâs solidarity with Ukraine makes it tempting to support such a radical act designed to capitalize on family grief, said Stephanie Hare, a surveillance researcher in London. But contacting soldiersâ parents, she said, is âclassic psychological warfareâ and could set a dangerous new standard for future conflicts.
âIf it were Russian soldiers doing this with Ukrainian mothers, we might say, âOh, my God, thatâs barbaric,â â she said. âAnd is it actually working? Or is it making them say: âLook at these lawless, cruel Ukrainians, doing this to our boys?â â
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Ukrainian officials have run more than 8,600 facial recognition searches on dead or captured Russian soldiers in the 50 days since Moscowâs invasion began, using the scans to identify bodies and contact hundreds of their families in what may be one of the most gruesome applications of the technology to date.
I don't understand how the identification works. They can run a face scanner on dead bodies, of course, but what data are they using to identify the face? I don't assume they have face data or even just photos of all or most members of the Russian armed forces.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Yes itâs accold and heartless tactic, but is it a war crime?
Probably notNo.Supposedly, photographing POWs and KIAs does qualify as war crimes. There was some discussion about this in the early days where Russian POWs were videoed saying they didn't know why they were there, etc.
I'm not disputing the efficacy of the tactic, just thinking how the Russians can use this as propaganda.
https://jonathanturley.org/2022/03/02/does-the-russian-pows-violate-the-geneva-conventions/
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The International Red Cross and other international humanitarian groups have long condemned the filming for POWs for propaganda or public messaging.
âBeing exposed to âpublic curiosityâ as a prisoner of war, even when such exposure is not accompanied by insulting remarks or actions, is humiliating in itself and therefore specifically prohibited. For the purposes of the present article, âpublicâ should be interpreted as referring to anyone who is not directly involved in handling the prisoners of war, including other members of the Detaining Power. Exposure to public curiosity can take many forms. The prohibition undoubtedly covers parading prisoners in public. Moreover, prisoners must not be exposed to humiliation when they leave their camp for work, are transferred to another facility or are being repatriated. In modern conflicts, the prohibition also covers, subject to the considerations discussed below, the disclosure of photographic and video images, recordings of interrogations or private conversations or personal correspondence or any other private data, irrespective of which public communication channel is used, including the internet. Although this is seemingly different from being marched through a hostile crowd, such disclosure could still be humiliating and jeopardize the safety of the prisonersâ families and of the prisoners themselves once they are released.â
During the Iraq War and other conflicts, the United States has objected to the filming of American POWs as a violation of Article 13.
There have been debates over the use of photos where the identity of POWs are obscured but that is not the case in the Ukrainian footage.
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