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  • RenaudaR Renauda

    @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Douglas Murray’s take

    the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

    https://archive.is/iQBYY

    I assume that was written last April.
    Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

    As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

    Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

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    LuFins Dad
    wrote on last edited by
    #2746

    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

    @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

    Douglas Murray’s take

    the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

    https://archive.is/iQBYY

    I assume that was written last April.
    Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

    As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

    Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

    It was actually written a few days ago.

    Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldn’t access it. Excellent piece..

    @Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vance’s circle.

    The Brad

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    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Douglas Murray’s take

      the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.

      https://archive.is/iQBYY

      I assume that was written last April.
      Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.

      As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .

      Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.

      It was actually written a few days ago.

      Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldn’t access it. Excellent piece..

      @Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vance’s circle.

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2747

      @LuFins-Dad

      It was actually written a few days ago.

      Thanks. That makes the piece even more relevant to the present.

      Being that was archived and there was a notice at the end referencing something or another on 14 April I just assumed it from last year.

      Elbows up!

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2748

        It could only happen in Russia….

        Local officials from Russia’s ruling party have caused controversy by presenting mothers of soldiers killed in Ukraine with gifts of meat grinders, an appliance widely used to describe Russia’s brutal tactics on the front line.

        The United Russia party in the northern Murmansk region posted photos on social media showing officials smiling as they visited bereaved mothers with gifts of flowers and boxed meat grinders for International Women’s Day on Saturday, which is widely celebrated in Russia.

        The post included a message thanking the “dear mums” for their “strength of spirit and the love you put into bringing up your sons.” It said the gifts were the initiative of the women’s wing of the party…..

        Russia is often accused of throwing its frontline soldiers into a “meat grinder” with scant regard for their lives.

        The Russian word for meat grinder, myasorubka, has the same double meaning as in English.

        https://www.kyivpost.com/post/48530

        Elbows up!

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          #2749

          https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-03-08/us-vetoes-g-7-shadow-fleet-task-force-plan-signals-more-change?embedded-checkout=true

          The US has rejected a Canadian proposal to establish a task force that would tackle Russia’s so-called shadow fleet of oil tankers, as the Trump administration re-evaluates its positions across multilateral organizations, according to people familiar with the matter.

          and

          The “shadow fleet” refers to ageing oil tankers, the identities of which are hidden to help circumvent western economic sanctions imposed on Moscow since it launched its full-scale military invasion of Ukraine at the start of 2022.

          As well as vetoing Canada’s proposal to establish a task force to monitor sanctions breaches, the draft G7 statement seen by Bloomberg News shows the US pushed to remove the word “sanctions” as well as wording citing Russia’s “ability to maintain its war” in Ukraine by replacing it with “earn revenue”.

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            Wim
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            #2750

            Ukraine agrees to 30 days ceasefire

            https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/11/ukraine-agrees-to-30-day-ceasefire-as-us-prepares-to-lift-military-aid-restrictions

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            • 89th8 89th

              @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Shameful

              Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.

              Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty

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              NobodySock
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              #2751

              @89th said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

              @Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Shameful

              Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.

              Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty

              "Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind"

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2752

                If Russia agrees to ceasefire proposal:

                Ideally, Moscow would prefer to delay the meeting for as long as possible to maximize potential concessions from Washington in exchange for Russia halting military actions in Ukraine.

                "Time is on the Kremlin’s side," sources told The Moscow Times. However, officials also recognize the need to "seize the moment” and balance Trump’s push for a swift ceasefire with broader geopolitical and domestic considerations.

                “One scenario under discussion is a meeting around Easter [Orthodox Easter falls on April 20],” a Russian diplomat told The Moscow Times. Another senior Russian official confirmed this possibility.

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/12/orthodox-easter-diplomacy-kremlin-and-white-house-pursue-fast-tracked-putin-trump-meeting-a88331

                Elbows up!

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                  Mik
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                  #2753

                  A good piece on Ukraine's mineral wealth.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/what-s-so-special-about-ukraine-s-minerals-a-geologist-explains/ar-AA1AI9mu#

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2754

                    An interesting take on the peace process and European politics.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/peace-not-surrender-for-ukraine/ar-AA1B91vM

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      xenon
                      wrote on last edited by xenon
                      #2755

                      Anyone with more knowledge know how to make heads/tails of the latest ceasefire?

                      I’m seeing that it’s a partial ceasefire, only on energy infrastructure, Russia recently (after the convo?) attacked energy infrastructure, Zelensky says he’s open to a partial ceasefire, I’m sure I’m missing a few other facts.

                      I don’t know what it all amounts to. Is it normal for all of this to be done in the open like this?

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
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                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2756

                        Last I read Putin had said he needs to see all international aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine stopped and then he can maybe sorta discuss a ceasefire.

                        You were warned.

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                          xenon
                          wrote on last edited by xenon
                          #2757

                          I thought he did agree to a partial ceasefire. But yeah - I would think they’d want to arm Ukraine to the gills during a pause.

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                            xenon
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                            #2758

                            Ok - apparently Putin specifically hit civilian infrastructure with drones after the ceasefire talk. This is coming from Zelensky - but assuming this is true… that’s a pretty loud signal

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #2759

                              Still early to tell.

                              But what I am hearing is saying that Zelenskyi made Trump an offer last week that amounts to an end run on Putin. It’s beginning to come clear as there are indications that the US will become the owner of the Ukrainian energy grid throughout the country. That means US has total ownership of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants, electrical and possibly oil and gas infrastructure- not sure about the o&g.

                              Let’s see how this plays out, I doubt very much that the initiative came from the US side. The chatter I receive suggests Kyiv, Warsaw and Helsinki. But, time will tell. It flys right into Putin’s face. I hope it does, the bastard has no intention to negotiate anything.

                              If it works then Trump might have to share that Nobel with Zekenskyi, who probably came up with the idea in the first place.

                              Elbows up!

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2760

                                Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:

                                Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.

                                “We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

                                He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.

                                “If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297

                                President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.

                                "Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.

                                https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:

                                  Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.

                                  “We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.

                                  He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.

                                  “If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.

                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297

                                  President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.

                                  "Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.

                                  https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/

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                                  Wim
                                  wrote on last edited by Wim
                                  #2761

                                  @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

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                                    AndyD
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                                    #2762

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                                    • W Wim

                                      @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2763

                                      @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      @Renauda I would be pleasantly surprised to see the Russians handing over Zaporizha to the Americans without any restriction.

                                      Although an extreme long shot, I don’t think it is entirely out of the question. Time will tell, depends how badly Putin wants this to end.

                                      I remain unconvinced of any sincere desire by Kremlin to concede any of its maximalist terms regarding Ukraine’s future.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        xenon
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2764

                                        The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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                                        • X xenon

                                          The Kremlin doesn’t seem to care what the US says… curious what the next step here is.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2765

                                          @xenon

                                          Don’t expect much from the Russians, unlike Washington, they are in no rush to end the bloodshed:

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/03/21/putin-warns-business-leaders-of-slow-and-difficult-ukraine-ceasefire-talks-report-a88434

                                          Elbows up!

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