The Ukraine war thread
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I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?
wrote 5 days ago last edited by Renauda 3 Aug 2025, 00:37@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?You really want to know?
A blowhard coffee and doughnut shop gossip and lout who figures heâs the just the cock-oâthâ-walk on all and sundry.
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I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?wrote 5 days ago last edited by@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.
wrote 5 days ago last edited by Renauda 3 Jul 2025, 23:41Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.
I would have worded that as follows :
I donât think the piece argued against any true liberal or true conservative position.
Rather Murray is arguing against the prevailing populist and extreme fringes of both traditions.Besides, it is not and has never been, a left vs right issue. It is an issue of whether or not wanton and unjustifiable military aggression to acquire your neighbourâs territory with an expressed political objective to wipe them off the map is acceptable in modern day Europe. It was not in 1939 and nor is it again beginning in 2014 through to now. That is the issue.
Only Americans and Russians talk in this nonsensical dialectic of permanent struggle dividing the world into the moral right vs immoral left. Itâs every bit as ridiculous the Trotskyist Theory of Permanent Revolution in Marxist thought.
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@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
Douglas Murrayâs take
the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.
I assume that was written last April.
Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .
Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.
wrote 5 days ago last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
Douglas Murrayâs take
the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.
I assume that was written last April.
Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .
Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.
It was actually written a few days ago.
Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldnât access it. Excellent piece..
@Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vanceâs circle.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
Douglas Murrayâs take
the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.
I assume that was written last April.
Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .
Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.
It was actually written a few days ago.
Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldnât access it. Excellent piece..
@Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vanceâs circle.
wrote 5 days ago last edited by Renauda 3 Jul 2025, 23:19It was actually written a few days ago.
Thanks. That makes the piece even more relevant to the present.
Being that was archived and there was a notice at the end referencing something or another on 14 April I just assumed it from last year.
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wrote 4 days ago last edited by Renauda 3 Aug 2025, 18:02
It could only happen in RussiaâŚ.
Local officials from Russiaâs ruling party have caused controversy by presenting mothers of soldiers killed in Ukraine with gifts of meat grinders, an appliance widely used to describe Russiaâs brutal tactics on the front line.
The United Russia party in the northern Murmansk region posted photos on social media showing officials smiling as they visited bereaved mothers with gifts of flowers and boxed meat grinders for International Womenâs Day on Saturday, which is widely celebrated in Russia.
The post included a message thanking the âdear mumsâ for their âstrength of spirit and the love you put into bringing up your sons.â It said the gifts were the initiative of the womenâs wing of the partyâŚ..
Russia is often accused of throwing its frontline soldiers into a âmeat grinderâ with scant regard for their lives.
The Russian word for meat grinder, myasorubka, has the same double meaning as in English.
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wrote 4 days ago last edited by
The US has rejected a Canadian proposal to establish a task force that would tackle Russiaâs so-called shadow fleet of oil tankers, as the Trump administration re-evaluates its positions across multilateral organizations, according to people familiar with the matter.
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The âshadow fleetâ refers to ageing oil tankers, the identities of which are hidden to help circumvent western economic sanctions imposed on Moscow since it launched its full-scale military invasion of Ukraine at the start of 2022.
As well as vetoing Canadaâs proposal to establish a task force to monitor sanctions breaches, the draft G7 statement seen by Bloomberg News shows the US pushed to remove the word âsanctionsâ as well as wording citing Russiaâs âability to maintain its warâ in Ukraine by replacing it with âearn revenueâ.
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldnât shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. Theyâve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
wrote a day ago last edited by@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldnât shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. Theyâve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind"
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wrote about 11 hours ago last edited by
If Russia agrees to ceasefire proposal:
Ideally, Moscow would prefer to delay the meeting for as long as possible to maximize potential concessions from Washington in exchange for Russia halting military actions in Ukraine.
"Time is on the Kremlinâs side," sources told The Moscow Times. However, officials also recognize the need to "seize the momentâ and balance Trumpâs push for a swift ceasefire with broader geopolitical and domestic considerations.
âOne scenario under discussion is a meeting around Easter [Orthodox Easter falls on April 20],â a Russian diplomat told The Moscow Times. Another senior Russian official confirmed this possibility.
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wrote about 9 hours ago last edited by
A good piece on Ukraine's mineral wealth.