The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 21:56 last edited by
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?
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I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 22:06 last edited by Renauda 3 Aug 2025, 00:37@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?You really want to know?
A blowhard coffee and doughnut shop gossip and lout who figures he’s the just the cock-o’th’-walk on all and sundry.
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I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 22:29 last edited by@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I find it hilarious that people refer to MAGA this and MAGA that.
It shows that :
A. You don't know Trump voters very well.
B. His take on conservatives and Ukraine is pretty stupid. But, who am I to argue?Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.
wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 22:44 last edited by Renauda 3 Jul 2025, 23:41Yeah, I don't think the piece argued against any mainstream position on the right.
I would have worded that as follows :
I don’t think the piece argued against any true liberal or true conservative position.
Rather Murray is arguing against the prevailing populist and extreme fringes of both traditions.Besides, it is not and has never been, a left vs right issue. It is an issue of whether or not wanton and unjustifiable military aggression to acquire your neighbour’s territory with an expressed political objective to wipe them off the map is acceptable in modern day Europe. It was not in 1939 and nor is it again beginning in 2014 through to now. That is the issue.
Only Americans and Russians talk in this nonsensical dialectic of permanent struggle dividing the world into the moral right vs immoral left. It’s every bit as ridiculous the Trotskyist Theory of Permanent Revolution in Marxist thought.
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@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
Douglas Murray’s take
the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.
I assume that was written last April.
Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .
Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.
wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 23:03 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
Douglas Murray’s take
the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.
I assume that was written last April.
Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .
Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.
It was actually written a few days ago.
Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldn’t access it. Excellent piece..
@Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vance’s circle.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@xenon said in The Ukraine war thread:
Douglas Murray’s take
the maga movement is wrong on Ukraine.
I assume that was written last April.
Hats off to you, Sir, for finding and sharing it here.As usual, Douglas Murray nails it. Wish I had seen it last year. All the same though it is just as fresh today as was when it was published .
Bravo. Murray is an example of a real investigative journalist.
It was actually written a few days ago.
Thank you, @xenon , I had let my subscription for the FP go last month. I had seen Murray tweet the article but couldn’t access it. Excellent piece..
@Horace , if you go to X, you will find plenty of these anti-Ukraine, pro-Putin right wingers. And unfortunately, many of them are close to Vance’s circle.
wrote on 7 Mar 2025, 23:19 last edited by Renauda 3 Jul 2025, 23:19It was actually written a few days ago.
Thanks. That makes the piece even more relevant to the present.
Being that was archived and there was a notice at the end referencing something or another on 14 April I just assumed it from last year.
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wrote on 8 Mar 2025, 17:58 last edited by Renauda 3 Aug 2025, 18:02
It could only happen in Russia….
Local officials from Russia’s ruling party have caused controversy by presenting mothers of soldiers killed in Ukraine with gifts of meat grinders, an appliance widely used to describe Russia’s brutal tactics on the front line.
The United Russia party in the northern Murmansk region posted photos on social media showing officials smiling as they visited bereaved mothers with gifts of flowers and boxed meat grinders for International Women’s Day on Saturday, which is widely celebrated in Russia.
The post included a message thanking the “dear mums” for their “strength of spirit and the love you put into bringing up your sons.” It said the gifts were the initiative of the women’s wing of the party…..
Russia is often accused of throwing its frontline soldiers into a “meat grinder” with scant regard for their lives.
The Russian word for meat grinder, myasorubka, has the same double meaning as in English.
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wrote on 9 Mar 2025, 02:32 last edited by
The US has rejected a Canadian proposal to establish a task force that would tackle Russia’s so-called shadow fleet of oil tankers, as the Trump administration re-evaluates its positions across multilateral organizations, according to people familiar with the matter.
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The “shadow fleet” refers to ageing oil tankers, the identities of which are hidden to help circumvent western economic sanctions imposed on Moscow since it launched its full-scale military invasion of Ukraine at the start of 2022.
As well as vetoing Canada’s proposal to establish a task force to monitor sanctions breaches, the draft G7 statement seen by Bloomberg News shows the US pushed to remove the word “sanctions” as well as wording citing Russia’s “ability to maintain its war” in Ukraine by replacing it with “earn revenue”.
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wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 19:59 last edited by
Ukraine agrees to 30 days ceasefire
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
wrote on 11 Mar 2025, 20:08 last edited by@89th said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Shameful
Wouldn’t shock me if Canada or Europe took them in. They’ve even learned English by now.
Plus, Ukrainian chicks are pretty
"Well the Ukraine girls really knock me out, they leave the West behind"
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 16:19 last edited by
If Russia agrees to ceasefire proposal:
Ideally, Moscow would prefer to delay the meeting for as long as possible to maximize potential concessions from Washington in exchange for Russia halting military actions in Ukraine.
"Time is on the Kremlin’s side," sources told The Moscow Times. However, officials also recognize the need to "seize the moment” and balance Trump’s push for a swift ceasefire with broader geopolitical and domestic considerations.
“One scenario under discussion is a meeting around Easter [Orthodox Easter falls on April 20],” a Russian diplomat told The Moscow Times. Another senior Russian official confirmed this possibility.
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wrote on 12 Mar 2025, 17:28 last edited by
A good piece on Ukraine's mineral wealth.
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wrote on 18 Mar 2025, 11:30 last edited by
An interesting take on the peace process and European politics.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/peace-not-surrender-for-ukraine/ar-AA1B91vM
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 22:17 last edited by xenon
Anyone with more knowledge know how to make heads/tails of the latest ceasefire?
I’m seeing that it’s a partial ceasefire, only on energy infrastructure, Russia recently (after the convo?) attacked energy infrastructure, Zelensky says he’s open to a partial ceasefire, I’m sure I’m missing a few other facts.
I don’t know what it all amounts to. Is it normal for all of this to be done in the open like this?
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 22:56 last edited by
Last I read Putin had said he needs to see all international aid and intelligence sharing with Ukraine stopped and then he can maybe sorta discuss a ceasefire.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 23:07 last edited by xenon
I thought he did agree to a partial ceasefire. But yeah - I would think they’d want to arm Ukraine to the gills during a pause.
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wrote on 19 Mar 2025, 23:10 last edited by
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 00:29 last edited by Renauda
Still early to tell.
But what I am hearing is saying that Zelenskyi made Trump an offer last week that amounts to an end run on Putin. It’s beginning to come clear as there are indications that the US will become the owner of the Ukrainian energy grid throughout the country. That means US has total ownership of all Ukrainian nuclear power plants, electrical and possibly oil and gas infrastructure- not sure about the o&g.
Let’s see how this plays out, I doubt very much that the initiative came from the US side. The chatter I receive suggests Kyiv, Warsaw and Helsinki. But, time will tell. It flys right into Putin’s face. I hope it does, the bastard has no intention to negotiate anything.
If it works then Trump might have to share that Nobel with Zekenskyi, who probably came up with the idea in the first place.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2025, 21:43 last edited by
Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:
Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.
“We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.
He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.
“If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.
"Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/
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Appears that I spoke too soon about the Ukrainian power grid:
Trump said the United States could own and run Ukraine’s nuclear power plants, the latest in a series of proposals he has made to the war-torn country, reliant on Washington’s support to fend off the Russian invasion.
“We will not discuss it. We have 15 nuclear power units in operation today. This all belongs to our state,” Zelensky told a news conference in Oslo, where he held talks with Norway’s Prime Minister Jonas Gahr Store.
He said the nuclear plants legally belonged to the Ukrainian people but that Kyiv was open to US investment once Ukraine got back control of the Zaporizhzhia plant, seized by Russian troops at the start of the war.
“If they want to take it back from the Russians, if they want to modernize it, invest – this is a different question, this is an open question, we can talk about it,” Zelensky added.
https://www.kyivpost.com/post/49297
President Volodymyr Zelensky said on March 19 that he had discussed with U.S. President Donald Trump the possibility of U.S. assistance in restoring the Zaporizhzhia Nuclear Power Plant, the largest nuclear facility in Europe, currently under Russian occupation.
"Water supply, technical staff, and many more steps to ensure that in a year and a half to two and a half, the plant starts to bring money and electricity to people. This is my vision," Zelensky said during a Zoom briefing for journalists.
https://kyivindependent.com/zelensky-trump-discuss-us-help-in-restoring-zaporizhzhia-nuclear-plant/