The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 21:13 last edited by
Next step, Trump provides US intelligence to the Russians - later, he'll ship supplies.
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@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Which of his sentences do you disagree with?
Sam's not here to defend himself, so I am honor bound not to respond.
wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 21:20 last edited by@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Which of his sentences do you disagree with?
Sam's not here to defend himself, so I am honor bound not to respond.
Out of curiosity, where did you find that? Do you subscribe to his substack?
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Which of his sentences do you disagree with?
Sam's not here to defend himself, so I am honor bound not to respond.
Out of curiosity, where did you find that? Do you subscribe to his substack?
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 21:30 last edited by
I don't know if it's coincidence, but the market rose a couple % after the fiasco. If certainty was instilled, which as we all know the market loves, it is terrible news for Ukraine.
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To Republicans:
Is this the Commander in Chief you voted for, or has he turned out to be something very different to your expectations?
wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 21:32 last edited by@AndyD said in The Ukraine war thread:
Is this the Commander in Chief you voted for, or has he turned out to be something very different to your expectations?
I voted for the non-traditional approach.
I've made my support back many times over.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:07 last edited by
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc I give him money and he sends me stuff in emails.
I subscribe to his podcast but haven't looked into his sub stack.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:14 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:21 last edited by
If Zelensky steps down over fallout from this, I'm going to think that was his plan all along.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:29 last edited by
It's clear that Putin ordered Trump to have this meeting out in the open. He's constantly testing Trump's allegiance. There's got to be something bigger than pee pee tapes that he's holding over his head.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:37 last edited by
No deal. No meal. Come back when you're serious.
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/28/trump-zelensky-oval-office-meeting-details
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:39 last edited by jon-nyc
That’s probably too generous.
I’m afraid the plain truth is that Trump is obsequious to Putin simply because he wants to be.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:45 last edited by
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:47 last edited by
Ukrainian MP calling for Zelenskyy to be impeached.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:48 last edited by
That was the plan, I am now convinced of it.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 22:50 last edited by
Anybody taking Zelensky seriously, is seriously considering him to be suicidal, not only for himself, but for his country.
These are probably many of the same people who think Russia would never do a nuclear war, because of self interest. Because as an axiom, a country's leader will not be suicidal.
I do respect that axiom, but if it holds true, then Zelensky was not serious today, except as a person who was taking serious steps towards stepping down as leader of his country.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
Does anybody think that Trump and Vance came out of that looking good?
And which rocket surgeon had the idea to televise that?
No, I thought Vance was caught off balance, and seemed hesitant about what to say. Trump just got puffy and indignant.
I will continue to wait patiently for anybody to think about whether zelenksy's choices in the conversation were wise.
My best hope is that it will be water under the bridge.
wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 23:40 last edited by 89th@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
I will continue to wait patiently for anybody to think about whether zelenksy's choices in the conversation were wise.
You’re right about the practical effect of it. However as Jon mentioned, this guy has spent fighting to stop an invasion, one that initially we thought Russia would win in 3 days, and the Ukrainians have held them off for 3 years, and I think Zelenskyy at this point is a DGAF mode…and any deal that even hints at annexing more Ukrainian land to Russia is a non starter.
I mean it’s simple, Russia invaded and anything short of kicking Russia out with sanctions is a horrible precedent to set.
Btw…Trump lie tracker alert. Around 10 minutes in there was the first joking scuffle… Trump said Europe “has not given very much money, very little” compared to the US to Ukraine, and Zelensky corrected him on this, and they both awkwardly joked about who is right, but look at the chart and tell me who was right.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 23:45 last edited by
How far we have fallen from brave Ukraine, bold incursions into Russia. Where this goes is unclear.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 23:48 last edited by
Nuclear Poland for sure. Wouldn’t even surprise me to see the baltics considering it.
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wrote on 28 Feb 2025, 23:52 last edited by
Vlad, who is at least as pro-Ukraine as anybody else, and at least as anti-Trump, weighs in. So refreshing to hear from someone who can manage to think around his emotions. Amidst the requisite lamentations about Trump and Vance, he calls Zelensky flat footed, caught off guard, petulant, and not up to the task of what should have been a navigable political situation.
Link to videoEducation is extremely important.
