The Ukraine war thread
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@AndyD said in The Ukraine war thread:
To Republicans:
Is this the Commander in Chief you voted for, or has he turned out to be something very different to your expectations?
I would not have expected Trump to back down from the push-back from Zelensky.
I really wish Zelensky had been more deferential. While the Trump haters will be indulging in their orgy of blaming Trump for all of this, Zelensky made some very obvious choices, and now we will watch the consequences.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Which of his sentences do you disagree with?
Sam's not here to defend himself, so I am honor bound not to respond.
Out of curiosity, where did you find that? Do you subscribe to his substack?
“Don’t make me repeat myself”
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It's clear that Putin ordered Trump to have this meeting out in the open. He's constantly testing Trump's allegiance. There's got to be something bigger than pee pee tapes that he's holding over his head.
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No deal. No meal. Come back when you're serious.
https://www.axios.com/2025/02/28/trump-zelensky-oval-office-meeting-details
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That’s probably too generous.
I’m afraid the plain truth is that Trump is obsequious to Putin simply because he wants to be.
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Ukrainian MP calling for Zelenskyy to be impeached.
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Anybody taking Zelensky seriously, is seriously considering him to be suicidal, not only for himself, but for his country.
These are probably many of the same people who think Russia would never do a nuclear war, because of self interest. Because as an axiom, a country's leader will not be suicidal.
I do respect that axiom, but if it holds true, then Zelensky was not serious today, except as a person who was taking serious steps towards stepping down as leader of his country.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
I will continue to wait patiently for anybody to think about whether zelenksy's choices in the conversation were wise.
You’re right about the practical effect of it. However as Jon mentioned, this guy has spent fighting to stop an invasion, one that initially we thought Russia would win in 3 days, and the Ukrainians have held them off for 3 years, and I think Zelenskyy at this point is a DGAF mode…and any deal that even hints at annexing more Ukrainian land to Russia is a non starter.
I mean it’s simple, Russia invaded and anything short of kicking Russia out with sanctions is a horrible precedent to set.
Btw…Trump lie tracker alert. Around 10 minutes in there was the first joking scuffle… Trump said Europe “has not given very much money, very little” compared to the US to Ukraine, and Zelensky corrected him on this, and they both awkwardly joked about who is right, but look at the chart and tell me who was right.
