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The Ukraine war thread

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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #2367

    In Moscow. How about that.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • W Offline
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      Wim
      wrote on last edited by
      #2368

      But-but-but his friend Putin wants them too...

      https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/trump-says-he-wants-ukraine-supply-us-with-rare-earths-2025-02-03/

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2369

        @Wim

        Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
        have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

        Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @Wim

          Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
          have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

          Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

          W Offline
          W Offline
          Wim
          wrote on last edited by
          #2370

          @Renauda My thought as well.

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          • W Wim

            @Renauda My thought as well.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by
            #2371

            @Wim

            I was being facetious. Still, though……it would send Putin into an apoplectic fit.

            Go for it!

            😆

            Elbows up!

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            • W Offline
              W Offline
              Wim
              wrote on last edited by
              #2372

              Well, there is Pokrovsk...
              Trump better hurry.

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2373

                Something is coming down between the Kremlin and Washington in weeks ahead:

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/06/putin-trump-talks-expected-in-february-or-march-senior-russian-lawmaker-says-a87894

                Curious whether Washington sees fit to ensure that Zelenskyi will be an in-person part and at the table throughout the process.

                Elbows up!

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                • JollyJ Offline
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                  Jolly
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2374

                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/07/russia-withdraws-north-korea-troops-kursk-deaths-ukraine-war

                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2375

                    According to Kyiv, the Norks are back again for more punishment:

                    Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that North Korean troops were back on the front line in Russia's Kursk region, after reports Moscow had withdrawn them due to heavy losses.

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/07/zelensky-says-north-korean-troops-back-on-russian-front-line-a87915

                    Elbows up!

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by Mik
                      #2376

                      Less mouths for Kim to feed. Not that he feeds them...

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2377

                        Hegseth begins laying out US position to bring about an armistice:

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0pz3er37jo

                        Elbows up!

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                        • HoraceH Offline
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                          Horace
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2378

                          "But we must start by recognising that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.

                          "Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering."

                          That is what I hear from everybody who seems serious on the subject.

                          Education is extremely important.

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #2379

                            @Horace

                            You are correct. The past year and a half or so of attrition has erased any illusions of a return to 2014 borders. Likewise NATO membership in the foreseeable future.

                            The challenge in the armistice negotiations will be limiting Putin to what he already has occupied militarily and not a yard more. Likewise, the question of what Russia will demand as reparations from Ukraine and the West.

                            Then the security guarantees for Ukraine. There can be no illusions on the part of the US that Russia will negotiate or agree to anything in good faith.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2380

                              I'm afraid the best we can do is stop the fighting. But that only kicks the can down the road.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Horace
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2381

                                A generation or two of peace would be an unqualified good thing.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2382

                                  Depends on what happens upon Putin's demise. I see no indication things are likely to get much better.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                                    jon-nyc
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2383

                                    There was a cease fire in place October 6th February 23rd.

                                    Only non-witches get due process.

                                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      Depends on what happens upon Putin's demise. I see no indication things are likely to get much better.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2384

                                      @Mik

                                      Nor do I. However….it is Russia. Nothing is ever what it seems.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                                        #2385

                                        That's the rub in a nation where you need to conceal any ideas contrary to the current regime. Who knows if someone waiting in the wings has in mind a peaceful, prosperous Russia.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • HoraceH Horace

                                          "But we must start by recognising that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.

                                          "Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering."

                                          That is what I hear from everybody who seems serious on the subject.

                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nycJ Online
                                          jon-nyc
                                          wrote on last edited by jon-nyc
                                          #2386

                                          @Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          "But we must start by recognising that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.

                                          "Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering."

                                          That is what I hear from everybody who seems serious on the subject.

                                          Smarter negotiators wouldn’t preemptively take options off the table before negotiations even start, such as this or NATO membership. He basically announced that negotiations will be over how much territory does Ukraine concede. For now.

                                          Only non-witches get due process.

                                          • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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