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    Renauda
    wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 20:37 last edited by
    #2366

    Too bad. I don’t feel the least bit sorry.

    Slava Ukraini

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
      wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 21:49 last edited by
      #2367

      In Moscow. How about that.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Wim
        wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 22:34 last edited by
        #2368

        But-but-but his friend Putin wants them too...

        https://www.reuters.com/markets/commodities/trump-says-he-wants-ukraine-supply-us-with-rare-earths-2025-02-03/

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          Renauda
          wrote on 3 Feb 2025, 22:42 last edited by Renauda 2 Mar 2025, 23:32
          #2369

          @Wim

          Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
          have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

          Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

          Elbows up!

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          • R Renauda
            3 Feb 2025, 22:42

            @Wim

            Zelenskyi should consider offering them to Trump in exchange for becoming the 51st state. He offered that option - we also
            have huge untapped reserves of rare earths- to us just a few hours back, but we refused.

            Zelenskyi might just take him up on the offer. Under the present circumstances, if I were Zelenskyi, I would give it serious consideration. Certainly a long term end to the war and one the EU would be perfectly ammenable.

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            Wim
            wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 10:05 last edited by
            #2370

            @Renauda My thought as well.

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            • W Wim
              4 Feb 2025, 10:05

              @Renauda My thought as well.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 15:07 last edited by
              #2371

              @Wim

              I was being facetious. Still, though……it would send Putin into an apoplectic fit.

              Go for it!

              😆

              Elbows up!

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                Wim
                wrote on 4 Feb 2025, 15:42 last edited by
                #2372

                Well, there is Pokrovsk...
                Trump better hurry.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 6 Feb 2025, 22:27 last edited by Renauda 2 Jul 2025, 00:59
                  #2373

                  Something is coming down between the Kremlin and Washington in weeks ahead:

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/06/putin-trump-talks-expected-in-february-or-march-senior-russian-lawmaker-says-a87894

                  Curious whether Washington sees fit to ensure that Zelenskyi will be an in-person part and at the table throughout the process.

                  Elbows up!

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                    Jolly
                    wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 19:13 last edited by
                    #2374

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/feb/07/russia-withdraws-north-korea-troops-kursk-deaths-ukraine-war

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 22:06 last edited by Renauda 2 Jul 2025, 22:08
                      #2375

                      According to Kyiv, the Norks are back again for more punishment:

                      Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelensky said Friday that North Korean troops were back on the front line in Russia's Kursk region, after reports Moscow had withdrawn them due to heavy losses.

                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025/02/07/zelensky-says-north-korean-troops-back-on-russian-front-line-a87915

                      Elbows up!

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                        Mik
                        wrote on 7 Feb 2025, 23:38 last edited by Mik 2 Jul 2025, 23:38
                        #2376

                        Less mouths for Kim to feed. Not that he feeds them...

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:03 last edited by
                          #2377

                          Hegseth begins laying out US position to bring about an armistice:

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy0pz3er37jo

                          Elbows up!

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                            Horace
                            wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:06 last edited by
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                            "But we must start by recognising that returning to Ukraine's pre-2014 borders is an unrealistic objective.

                            "Chasing this illusionary goal will only prolong the war and cause more suffering."

                            That is what I hear from everybody who seems serious on the subject.

                            Education is extremely important.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:16 last edited by Renauda 2 Dec 2025, 16:38
                              #2379

                              @Horace

                              You are correct. The past year and a half or so of attrition has erased any illusions of a return to 2014 borders. Likewise NATO membership in the foreseeable future.

                              The challenge in the armistice negotiations will be limiting Putin to what he already has occupied militarily and not a yard more. Likewise, the question of what Russia will demand as reparations from Ukraine and the West.

                              Then the security guarantees for Ukraine. There can be no illusions on the part of the US that Russia will negotiate or agree to anything in good faith.

                              Elbows up!

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:26 last edited by
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                                I'm afraid the best we can do is stop the fighting. But that only kicks the can down the road.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Horace
                                  wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:30 last edited by
                                  #2381

                                  A generation or two of peace would be an unqualified good thing.

                                  Education is extremely important.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:34 last edited by
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                                    Depends on what happens upon Putin's demise. I see no indication things are likely to get much better.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:38 last edited by
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                                      There was a cease fire in place October 6th February 23rd.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • M Mik
                                        12 Feb 2025, 15:34

                                        Depends on what happens upon Putin's demise. I see no indication things are likely to get much better.

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:41 last edited by
                                        #2384

                                        @Mik

                                        Nor do I. However….it is Russia. Nothing is ever what it seems.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on 12 Feb 2025, 15:55 last edited by Mik 2 Dec 2025, 15:55
                                          #2385

                                          That's the rub in a nation where you need to conceal any ideas contrary to the current regime. Who knows if someone waiting in the wings has in mind a peaceful, prosperous Russia.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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