The Ukraine war thread
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It's a problem for everyone in the West, but it's really, really a problem for the Europeans. So step up to the plate, folks. You've got a common enemy, so act like it.
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@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?
If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.
I agree. Hate to see President Putin "rewarded" in any way.
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well.
directly unrelated to the above post, but some more info on DPRK troops and weapons.
The peculiar North Korean Type 73 machine gun is getting new attention as a result of the Hermit Kingdom’s expanding support for Russia’s war in Ukraine, which now includes the deployment of thousands of troops. The weapon, chambered in the Russian 7.62x54mmR cartridge, is a unique blending of Cold War Soviet and Czech designs.
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@taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?
If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.
I agree. Hate to see President Putin "rewarded" in any way.
I too agree with both you and Mik.
As a close friend of mine and retired diplomat whose forty year career focussed on security and NATO related issues, pointed out to me in an email recently, Ukraine is the “ Free World's "Battle of Vienna”* moment; the time and place where we stand at the ramparts to defend our civilization and its values of democracy, freedom, human rights, equality, and rule of law.”
Putin cannot be rewarded or appeased in any way. Should negotiations commence Putin, in addition to the Ukrainian territory his troops have already occupied, will demand the whole of Zaporizhie and Kherson oblasts and quite possibly the whole southern coast of Ukraine along the Black Sea up to the border of Moldova and its breakaway province of Transdneistra. These demands will be couched as just reparations from Ukraine for the damage it caused to the Donbas, all Russian infrastructure and the loss of Russian soldiers and civilians since the conflict began in 2014.
I predict those demands, along with the unconditional lifting of sanctions, complete political and economic neutrality of what will remain of Ukraine rendering it a vassal state of the Kremlin, will be Russia’s starting points.
“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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Cloaking the Norks, another lesson learned from Stalin playbook on waging war:
“History repeats itself in strange ways,” says Dr. Sayana Namsaraeva, a Buryat scholar and senior research associate at the Mongolia & Inner Asia Studies Unit at the University of Cambridge whose recent research work focuses on Buryat and other Soviet-Asian involvement in the 1950-1953 Korean War in which Buryats, Sakha, Tuvans and other Soviet Asians were deployed to fight for North Korea in the Korean War under the guise of Chinese volunteers.
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German Chancellor Schloz parlays over the phone with Putin:
Later on Friday, the Kremlin confirmed that the phone call had taken place, describing it as “detailed and frank.” Putin was said to have repeated his claims that NATO was to blame for the war in Ukraine, adding that Russia “remains open to resuming negotiations that were interrupted by the Kyiv regime.”
He was also said to have spelled out Russia’s “well-known” negotiating stance, including the country’s security interests, its current positions on the front lines and “most importantly, eliminating the root causes of the conflict.”
Putin still plays the victim.
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