The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 5 Nov 2024, 16:31 last edited by Renauda 11 May 2024, 19:08
Meanwhile in Europe, Russian mischief is suspected at the root of combusting courier packages in transit:
https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o
Peace loving Russian foreign policy at play.
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wrote on 8 Nov 2024, 23:30 last edited by Renauda 11 Aug 2024, 23:31
Another Russian general killed. Apparently an especially nasty one at that:
Major General Pavel Klimenko…. A Russian army general in charge of a unit alleged to have tortured its own soldiers and murdered a U.S. citizen was reportedly killed in Ukraine this week, becoming the eighth Russian general to die since President Vladimir Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.
I wonder if he was fragged?
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wrote on 8 Nov 2024, 23:31 last edited by Mik 11 Aug 2024, 23:45
I see signs saying Hell is real. In his case let us hope so.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 06:17 last edited by
I hope he died “not well”.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 13:30 last edited by
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
I hope he died “not well”.
Love that scene from the Bond movie.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 15:21 last edited by
More on the Russian connection to incendiary packages on cargo and passenger aircraft:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/incendiary-devices-plot-canada-russia-1.7378613
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 15:47 last edited by
Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:
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Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:
wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:03 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:
Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.
Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:09 last edited by
Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:15 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.
Or Alaska ...
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:19 last edited by
Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?
If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:24 last edited by
How long?
Gosh, Putin has been busy since he came to power. It's happening in your face right now.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:35 last edited by
The latest Woodward book offered a lot of insight as to how he thinks. I recommend it.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:
Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.
Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?
wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 16:44 last edited by Renauda 11 Sept 2024, 17:58Thoughts on that?
Everything hinges on what Russia is prepared to negotiate in good faith and how badly it wants economic sanctions reduced or altogether lifted.
I do however think and agree that the Crimea is irretrievably lost to Russia. As for the occupied territories in the Donbas, they are little more than minefields and rubble. The cost of remediation would be astronomical and hardly worth Kyiv trying to regain them at the negotiating table.
In any event, Putin has already and irrevocably lost the long term peace. The question is whether he understands the implications of that fact or even cares about them.
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wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 18:03 last edited by
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.
So the non-serious outcome where Crimea goes back to Ukraine would be proof that Trump is not actually a Russian ally. I am sure Trump will face many non-serious requirements in order to be proven a worthy American leader.
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Thoughts on that?
Everything hinges on what Russia is prepared to negotiate in good faith and how badly it wants economic sanctions reduced or altogether lifted.
I do however think and agree that the Crimea is irretrievably lost to Russia. As for the occupied territories in the Donbas, they are little more than minefields and rubble. The cost of remediation would be astronomical and hardly worth Kyiv trying to regain them at the negotiating table.
In any event, Putin has already and irrevocably lost the long term peace. The question is whether he understands the implications of that fact or even cares about them.
wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 18:15 last edited by Tom-K 11 Sept 2024, 18:20@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
I do however think and agree that the Crimea is irretrievably lost to Russia. As for the occupied territories in the Donbas, they are little more than minefields and rubble. The cost of remediation would be astronomical and hardly worth Kyiv trying to regain them at the negotiating table.
I agree. The cost to rehabilitate the "conquered" sections of the Ukraine will be huge. What's more the area is largely populated by Russian speaking peoples that largely want to be part of the "motherland." So let Russia pay the cost of rebuilding the infrastructure. It would be best for the West to consolidate the still functional parts of Ukraine and help them to be prosperous--REALLY prosperous. Bring the country into the EU and NATO and turn it into a badass anti-Russian stronghold like Poland and the Baltics.
The point of all this isn't to preserve the sanctity of the Ukraine but to f**k Russia.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
I do however think and agree that the Crimea is irretrievably lost to Russia. As for the occupied territories in the Donbas, they are little more than minefields and rubble. The cost of remediation would be astronomical and hardly worth Kyiv trying to regain them at the negotiating table.
I agree. The cost to rehabilitate the "conquered" sections of the Ukraine will be huge. What's more the area is largely populated by Russian speaking peoples that largely want to be part of the "motherland." So let Russia pay the cost of rebuilding the infrastructure. It would be best for the West to consolidate the still functional parts of Ukraine and help them to be prosperous--REALLY prosperous. Bring the country into the EU and NATO and turn it into a badass anti-Russian stronghold like Poland and the Baltics.
The point of all this isn't to preserve the sanctity of the Ukraine but to f**k Russia.
wrote on 9 Nov 2024, 19:39 last edited by Renauda 11 Oct 2024, 19:04What's more the area is largely populated by Russian speaking peoples that largely want to be part of the "motherland."
That was my general understanding as well until the invasion and I did my homework about Ukraine.
First I quickly learned that the vast majority of Russian speaking Ukrainians do not have an affinity for the Russian motherland. Rather they see themselves as citizens of a sovereign Ukraine inhabiting an area which was formerly a free zone, known as the Zaporozhian Host, governed by the Zaporizhian Cossack Hetmanate on the east bank of the Dniepro River.
Secondly, the separatists in the Donbas were a small minority of the Russian speaking population. They were closely associated with the Ukrainian President Viktor Yanukovich who fled to Moscow during the Maidan uprising in 2013.
Thirdly, the tie between Russia and Ukraine is largely a myth that has been propagated and embellished by Russians starting in the 19th Century and continuing into the present. Ukraine has far greater ties culturally and nationally to Poland, Lithuania and Austria than Russia. The only cultural aspect that has ever linked Kyiv and Moscow is their mutual observance of the Orthodox Liturgy. Beyond that Ukrainians and even the Zaporozhian Host naturally always looked westward in defining its national identity in the territories that have become to be known as Ukraine.
The point of all this isn't to preserve the sanctity of the Ukraine but to f**k Russia.
Putin alone has done a stellar job of doing just that to Russia. I agree though the West has to get over any notions that Russia can be or will be our friend or at all trustworthy as either a partner or player on the international stage. It is becoming more like North Korea as each year passes.
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wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 02:07 last edited by
It's a problem for everyone in the West, but it's really, really a problem for the Europeans. So step up to the plate, folks. You've got a common enemy, so act like it.
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Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?
If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.
wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 09:11 last edited by@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?
If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.
I agree. Hate to see President Putin "rewarded" in any way.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:
Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.
Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?
wrote on 10 Nov 2024, 10:20 last edited by@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well.
directly unrelated to the above post, but some more info on DPRK troops and weapons.
The peculiar North Korean Type 73 machine gun is getting new attention as a result of the Hermit Kingdom’s expanding support for Russia’s war in Ukraine, which now includes the deployment of thousands of troops. The weapon, chambered in the Russian 7.62x54mmR cartridge, is a unique blending of Cold War Soviet and Czech designs.
