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  • MikM Mik

    Are we targeting the wrong thing with sanctions?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-west-is-trying-to-starve-the-wrong-part-of-russia-s-war-machine-defense-experts-say/ar-AA1sAkG9

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    taiwan_girl
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    #2302

    @Mik

    Current Western sanctions tend to be too broad and sporadic to cripple Russian defense production. A better approach would be a mixture of economic sanctions and diplomatic pressure focused on Russia's artillery supply chain, concluded the report. "A concerted approach, with additional resources dedicated to enforcement and disruption, will have a greater chance of success."

    I wonder how effective that would be? Seems like it would just like we are doing now. I dont know if more diplomatic pressure on countries like China would make a difference.

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    • MikM Away
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      Mik
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      #2303

      Bomb the vodka!

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-s-alcohol-empire-suffers-devastating-quadruple-blow/ar-AA1sIq8h

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        jon-nyc
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        #2304

        If this isn’t a war crime I don’t know what would be.

        Only non-witches get due process.

        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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        • MikM Away
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #2305

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-generals-are-turning-on-each-other/ar-AA1tfCNb

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • W Offline
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            Wim
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            #2306

            Chinese mock Russian fighter jet
            https://www.kyivpost.com/post/41667

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
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              #2307

              Meanwhile in Europe, Russian mischief is suspected at the root of combusting courier packages in transit:

              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/05/moscow-behind-incendiary-packages-sent-across-europe-lithuanian-official-says-a86909

              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o

              Peace loving Russian foreign policy at play.

              Elbows up!

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                Renauda
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                #2308

                Another Russian general killed. Apparently an especially nasty one at that:

                Major General Pavel Klimenko…. A Russian army general in charge of a unit alleged to have tortured its own soldiers and murdered a U.S. citizen was reportedly killed in Ukraine this week, becoming the eighth Russian general to die since President Vladimir Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/08/russian-general-alleged-to-have-organized-torture-camp-killed-in-ukraine-reports-a86946

                I wonder if he was fragged?

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                  #2309

                  I see signs saying Hell is real. In his case let us hope so.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
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                    #2310

                    I hope he died “not well”.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      I hope he died “not well”.

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                      George K
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                      #2311

                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      I hope he died “not well”.

                      Love that scene from the Bond movie.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        Renauda
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                        #2312

                        More on the Russian connection to incendiary packages on cargo and passenger aircraft:

                        https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/incendiary-devices-plot-canada-russia-1.7378613

                        Elbows up!

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                          Renauda
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                          #2313

                          Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                          Elbows up!

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                          • RenaudaR Renauda

                            Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2314

                            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                            Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.

                            Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              jon-nyc
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                              #2315

                              Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

                              Only non-witches get due process.

                              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

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                                Wim
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                                @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

                                Or Alaska ...

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                                • MikM Away
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2317

                                  Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?

                                  If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2318

                                    How long?
                                    Gosh, Putin has been busy since he came to power. It's happening in your face right now.
                                    And he won't stop if nobody kicks his ass.

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                                    • jon-nycJ Online
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                                      jon-nyc
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2319

                                      The latest Woodward book offered a lot of insight as to how he thinks. I recommend it.

                                      Only non-witches get due process.

                                      • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                                        https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                                        Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.

                                        Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2320

                                        @George-K

                                        Thoughts on that?

                                        Everything hinges on what Russia is prepared to negotiate in good faith and how badly it wants economic sanctions reduced or altogether lifted.

                                        I do however think and agree that the Crimea is irretrievably lost to Russia. As for the occupied territories in the Donbas, they are little more than minefields and rubble. The cost of remediation would be astronomical and hardly worth Kyiv trying to regain them at the negotiating table.

                                        In any event, Putin has already and irrevocably lost the long term peace. The question is whether he understands the implications of that fact or even cares about them.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                          Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

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                                          Horace
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2321

                                          @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

                                          So the non-serious outcome where Crimea goes back to Ukraine would be proof that Trump is not actually a Russian ally. I am sure Trump will face many non-serious requirements in order to be proven a worthy American leader.

                                          Education is extremely important.

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