Skip to content
  • Categories
  • Recent
  • Tags
  • Popular
  • Users
  • Groups
Skins
  • Light
  • Cerulean
  • Cosmo
  • Flatly
  • Journal
  • Litera
  • Lumen
  • Lux
  • Materia
  • Minty
  • Morph
  • Pulse
  • Sandstone
  • Simplex
  • Sketchy
  • Spacelab
  • United
  • Yeti
  • Zephyr
  • Dark
  • Cyborg
  • Darkly
  • Quartz
  • Slate
  • Solar
  • Superhero
  • Vapor

  • Default (No Skin)
  • No Skin
Collapse

The New Coffee Room

  1. TNCR
  2. General Discussion
  3. The Ukraine war thread

The Ukraine war thread

Scheduled Pinned Locked Moved General Discussion
2.8k Posts 28 Posters 284.4k Views
  • Oldest to Newest
  • Newest to Oldest
  • Most Votes
Reply
  • Reply as topic
Log in to reply
This topic has been deleted. Only users with topic management privileges can see it.
  • MikM Offline
    MikM Offline
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #2301

    Are we targeting the wrong thing with sanctions?

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-west-is-trying-to-starve-the-wrong-part-of-russia-s-war-machine-defense-experts-say/ar-AA1sAkG9

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

    taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
    • MikM Mik

      Are we targeting the wrong thing with sanctions?

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-west-is-trying-to-starve-the-wrong-part-of-russia-s-war-machine-defense-experts-say/ar-AA1sAkG9

      taiwan_girlT Offline
      taiwan_girlT Offline
      taiwan_girl
      wrote on last edited by
      #2302

      @Mik

      Current Western sanctions tend to be too broad and sporadic to cripple Russian defense production. A better approach would be a mixture of economic sanctions and diplomatic pressure focused on Russia's artillery supply chain, concluded the report. "A concerted approach, with additional resources dedicated to enforcement and disruption, will have a greater chance of success."

      I wonder how effective that would be? Seems like it would just like we are doing now. I dont know if more diplomatic pressure on countries like China would make a difference.

      1 Reply Last reply
      • MikM Offline
        MikM Offline
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #2303

        Bomb the vodka!

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-s-alcohol-empire-suffers-devastating-quadruple-blow/ar-AA1sIq8h

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

        1 Reply Last reply
        • jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nycJ Online
          jon-nyc
          wrote on last edited by
          #2304

          If this isn’t a war crime I don’t know what would be.

          You were warned.

          1 Reply Last reply
          • MikM Offline
            MikM Offline
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #2305

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-generals-are-turning-on-each-other/ar-AA1tfCNb

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

            1 Reply Last reply
            • W Offline
              W Offline
              Wim
              wrote on last edited by
              #2306

              Chinese mock Russian fighter jet
              https://www.kyivpost.com/post/41667

              1 Reply Last reply
              • RenaudaR Offline
                RenaudaR Offline
                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2307

                Meanwhile in Europe, Russian mischief is suspected at the root of combusting courier packages in transit:

                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/05/moscow-behind-incendiary-packages-sent-across-europe-lithuanian-official-says-a86909

                https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c07912lxx33o

                Peace loving Russian foreign policy at play.

                Elbows up!

                1 Reply Last reply
                • RenaudaR Offline
                  RenaudaR Offline
                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2308

                  Another Russian general killed. Apparently an especially nasty one at that:

                  Major General Pavel Klimenko…. A Russian army general in charge of a unit alleged to have tortured its own soldiers and murdered a U.S. citizen was reportedly killed in Ukraine this week, becoming the eighth Russian general to die since President Vladimir Putin ordered the full-scale invasion of Ukraine.

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/11/08/russian-general-alleged-to-have-organized-torture-camp-killed-in-ukraine-reports-a86946

                  I wonder if he was fragged?

                  Elbows up!

                  1 Reply Last reply
                  • MikM Offline
                    MikM Offline
                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by Mik
                    #2309

                    I see signs saying Hell is real. In his case let us hope so.

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

                    1 Reply Last reply
                    • RenaudaR Offline
                      RenaudaR Offline
                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2310

                      I hope he died “not well”.

                      Elbows up!

                      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        I hope he died “not well”.

                        George KG Offline
                        George KG Offline
                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2311

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        I hope he died “not well”.

                        Love that scene from the Bond movie.

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                        1 Reply Last reply
                        • RenaudaR Offline
                          RenaudaR Offline
                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2312

                          More on the Russian connection to incendiary packages on cargo and passenger aircraft:

                          https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/incendiary-devices-plot-canada-russia-1.7378613

                          Elbows up!

                          1 Reply Last reply
                          • RenaudaR Offline
                            RenaudaR Offline
                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2313

                            Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                            https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                            Elbows up!

                            George KG 1 Reply Last reply
                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                              George KG Offline
                              George KG Offline
                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2314

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                              https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                              Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.

                              Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

                              RenaudaR taiwan_girlT 2 Replies Last reply
                              • jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nycJ Online
                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2315

                                Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

                                You were warned.

                                W HoraceH 2 Replies Last reply
                                • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                  Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

                                  W Offline
                                  W Offline
                                  Wim
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2316

                                  @jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  Can't rebuild the Russian empire without Crimea, after all.

                                  Or Alaska ...

                                  1 Reply Last reply
                                  • MikM Offline
                                    MikM Offline
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2317

                                    Guns or butter. If we support ceding Ukrainian territory, how long until Russia rebuilds and attacks again?

                                    If we agree to this all sanctions must remain in place and Russia be a true pariah in the world.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

                                    taiwan_girlT 1 Reply Last reply
                                    • W Offline
                                      W Offline
                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2318

                                      How long?
                                      Gosh, Putin has been busy since he came to power. It's happening in your face right now.
                                      And he won't stop if nobody kicks his ass.

                                      1 Reply Last reply
                                      • jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nycJ Online
                                        jon-nyc
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2319

                                        The latest Woodward book offered a lot of insight as to how he thinks. I recommend it.

                                        You were warned.

                                        1 Reply Last reply
                                        • George KG George K

                                          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Possible early indicator of the direction the Trump Admin will take on the war in Ukraine:

                                          https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/czxrwr078v7o

                                          Thoughts on that? Ukraine doesn't seem to be doing very well lately.

                                          Though I did read (and can't find) that the Nork soldiers didn't stand up well. Perhaps too much pr0n?

                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2320

                                          @George-K

                                          Thoughts on that?

                                          Everything hinges on what Russia is prepared to negotiate in good faith and how badly it wants economic sanctions reduced or altogether lifted.

                                          I do however think and agree that the Crimea is irretrievably lost to Russia. As for the occupied territories in the Donbas, they are little more than minefields and rubble. The cost of remediation would be astronomical and hardly worth Kyiv trying to regain them at the negotiating table.

                                          In any event, Putin has already and irrevocably lost the long term peace. The question is whether he understands the implications of that fact or even cares about them.

                                          Elbows up!

                                          Tom-KT 1 Reply Last reply
                                          Reply
                                          • Reply as topic
                                          Log in to reply
                                          • Oldest to Newest
                                          • Newest to Oldest
                                          • Most Votes


                                          • Login

                                          • Don't have an account? Register

                                          • Login or register to search.
                                          • First post
                                            Last post
                                          0
                                          • Categories
                                          • Recent
                                          • Tags
                                          • Popular
                                          • Users
                                          • Groups