The Ukraine war thread

[Wim]

10 years ago:
MH17 shot down by Russian BUK.
Goddamn bastards.

[George K]

[Mik]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-commander-fighting-in-ukraine-shot-dead-by-his-own-troops-according-to-intercepted-phone-call/ar-BB1qhbQt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=be0944b7f6ba4fe0ae7be29ff2b53c87&ei=21

[kluurs]

Link to video

[Jolly]

It's a good video.

[Mik]

Very. I've long wondered about the wisdom of relying on GPS.

[Jolly]

If Putin is willing to suffer the loss of equipment and human life, the Ukrainians are gong to be conquered.

If the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon learn anything (and if history is a good teacher, they don't), fundamental changes need to be made in the U.S. military if we must fight a peer vs. peer war. Some lessons from war, and not just the Ukrainian War:

1. Your enemy has technology, too. See the above video. Whatever you can do, they can counter, and vice-versa.
2. With a few exceptions, Wunderwaffe do not win wars.
3. In a static war of attrition, defense is less costly in terms of equipment and casualties than offense.
4. Combined maneuver warfare does not work well without air parity, or better, air superiority.
5. Quantity has a quality of its own.
6. Modern combat is voracious in terms of munitions and equipment.

[Copper]

@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

relying on GPS

The military has been testing GPS interference technology off the coast of North Carolina for at least 15 years that I know about.

They still do it regularly. The FAA publishes notices to pilots letting them know when this testing is being done.

I have no idea what they are actually doing, but they are working on it.

https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/air-safety-institute/safety-notices/safety-notice-on-gps-interference#:~:text=GPS may be unreliable or,alert pilots to the tests.

[George K]

[Mik]

Ukes took out some electronic warfare stations.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/major-blow-to-russia-ukraine-successfully-disables-vital-equipment/ss-BB1pINph?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=ac96c573fd1740dabe7e5e68f101c5cf&ei=24

[George K]

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[Wim]

Too soon to tell. The frontline is more than just the Crimea.

[Mik]

I doubt liberation is all that near.

[Renauda]

Realistically, I believe Crimea was lost ten years ago when Putin undertook his first anschluss of sovereign Ukrainian territory. Back then it was a cheap buffet to graze and forage.

No longer the case.

[George K]

[Renauda]

Putin celebrates Navy Day:

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-black-sea-defeats-get-flushed-down-vladimir-putins-memory-hole/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGUyIqq7O7lsJL8cCr_UJo6iPo6opzpC7bmlQX41dCVjCGgKAX9QcySXNb3IdivjEK119DnTsWjx1fhlWxrLk3IvL75Cz5vU_ghssZHAqGUeAp-

Photos:

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/in-photos-russia-stages-showcase-naval-parade-a85861

[George K]

[Wim]

Interesting discussion. We'll see who got it right. https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/07/forbes-analyst-and-israeli-expert-clash-over-ukrainian-incursion-into-russias-kursk-oblast/

[Jolly]

It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

[Renauda]

@Jolly

I am sure the Orban in Hungary and Slovakia’s Pellegrini and Fico are not pleased with it. But what else can you expect from co-opted Kremlin friendly populist nationalists?

Neither supply much of anything in terms of military assistance to Kyiv. The good neighbours that do supply such as Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the remainder of European NATO membership, have no qualms about these incursions into Russia.