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  • W Offline
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    Wim
    wrote on last edited by
    #2216

    10 years ago:
    MH17 shot down by Russian BUK.
    Goddamn bastards.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #2217

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #2218

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-commander-fighting-in-ukraine-shot-dead-by-his-own-troops-according-to-intercepted-phone-call/ar-BB1qhbQt?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=be0944b7f6ba4fe0ae7be29ff2b53c87&ei=21

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • kluursK Offline
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          kluurs
          wrote on last edited by
          #2219

          Link to video

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          • JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #2220

            It's a good video.

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #2221

              Very. I've long wondered about the wisdom of relying on GPS.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by Jolly
                #2222

                If Putin is willing to suffer the loss of equipment and human life, the Ukrainians are gong to be conquered.

                If the Perfumed Princes of the Pentagon learn anything (and if history is a good teacher, they don't), fundamental changes need to be made in the U.S. military if we must fight a peer vs. peer war. Some lessons from war, and not just the Ukrainian War:

                1. Your enemy has technology, too. See the above video. Whatever you can do, they can counter, and vice-versa.
                2. With a few exceptions, Wunderwaffe do not win wars.
                3. In a static war of attrition, defense is less costly in terms of equipment and casualties than offense.
                4. Combined maneuver warfare does not work well without air parity, or better, air superiority.
                5. Quantity has a quality of its own.
                6. Modern combat is voracious in terms of munitions and equipment.

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • MikM Mik

                  Very. I've long wondered about the wisdom of relying on GPS.

                  CopperC Online
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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by Copper
                  #2223

                  @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  relying on GPS

                  The military has been testing GPS interference technology off the coast of North Carolina for at least 15 years that I know about.

                  They still do it regularly. The FAA publishes notices to pilots letting them know when this testing is being done.

                  I have no idea what they are actually doing, but they are working on it.

                  https://www.aopa.org/training-and-safety/air-safety-institute/safety-notices/safety-notice-on-gps-interference#:~:text=GPS may be unreliable or,alert pilots to the tests.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2224

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Away
                      MikM Away
                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2225

                      Ukes took out some electronic warfare stations.

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/major-blow-to-russia-ukraine-successfully-disables-vital-equipment/ss-BB1pINph?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=ac96c573fd1740dabe7e5e68f101c5cf&ei=24

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2226

                        .

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • W Offline
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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2227

                          Too soon to tell. The frontline is more than just the Crimea.

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                          • MikM Away
                            MikM Away
                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2228

                            I doubt liberation is all that near.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2229

                              Realistically, I believe Crimea was lost ten years ago when Putin undertook his first anschluss of sovereign Ukrainian territory. Back then it was a cheap buffet to graze and forage.

                              No longer the case.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2230

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2231

                                  Putin celebrates Navy Day:

                                  https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/blogs/ukrainealert/russias-black-sea-defeats-get-flushed-down-vladimir-putins-memory-hole/?mkt_tok=NjU5LVdaWC0wNzUAAAGUyIqq7O7lsJL8cCr_UJo6iPo6opzpC7bmlQX41dCVjCGgKAX9QcySXNb3IdivjEK119DnTsWjx1fhlWxrLk3IvL75Cz5vU_ghssZHAqGUeAp-

                                  Photos:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/07/29/in-photos-russia-stages-showcase-naval-parade-a85861

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2232

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • W Offline
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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2233

                                      Interesting discussion. We'll see who got it right. https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/08/07/forbes-analyst-and-israeli-expert-clash-over-ukrainian-incursion-into-russias-kursk-oblast/

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                                      • JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2234

                                        It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • JollyJ Jolly

                                          It's war and understandable. The problem comes in what do your neighboring countries - those that may be affected by a widening conflict - think about it? After all, Ukraine is getting a lot of weapons from countries in Europe.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2235

                                          @Jolly

                                          I am sure the Orban in Hungary and Slovakia’s Pellegrini and Fico are not pleased with it. But what else can you expect from co-opted Kremlin friendly populist nationalists?

                                          Neither supply much of anything in terms of military assistance to Kyiv. The good neighbours that do supply such as Poland, Romania, Lithuania and the remainder of European NATO membership, have no qualms about these incursions into Russia.

                                          Elbows up!

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