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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #2138

    This article sums up my views on Ukraine pretty well.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facing-the-russian-world/ar-BB1ld9J1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=094ffa8b3a704c15a5a057f89c97f980&ei=62

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • MikM Mik

      This article sums up my views on Ukraine pretty well.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facing-the-russian-world/ar-BB1ld9J1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=094ffa8b3a704c15a5a057f89c97f980&ei=62

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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2139

      @Mik

      As one pundit pithily described the current situation in Ukraine the other day:

      Pity Ukraine stabbed in front by the GOP and stabbed in the back by Biden…

      Elbows up!

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2140

        Meanwhile inside Russia, the normalization of deviance violence continues to grow:

        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/08/russian-activist-who-helped-ukrainian-refugees-dies-in-custody-reports-a84773

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #2141

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
            wrote on last edited by
            #2142

            Looks like an accident, right?

            RIGHT???

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • MikM Away
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #2143

              At least it wasn’t a boat.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • George KG George K

                Looks like an accident, right?

                RIGHT???

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #2144

                @George-K

                More on bridge collapse:

                According to independent Russian media outlet Meduza, Russian authorities announced plans to carry out repairs of the bridge’s road surface in 2018 and planned to spend around nine million rubles ($97,000) on the job.

                https://kyivindependent.com/bridge-collapses-in-russias-smolensk-region-killing-1-injuring-5/

                Perhaps the budget for repairs was diverted or stolen by management. After all, it is Russia where these incidents are taking place.

                Curious coincidence though that someone managed to catch it on video at the very moment the bridge catastrophically failed. Those bridges over railroad yards are commonplace in Russian cities. Wonder what made that particular bridge so special around that particular time?

                Elbows up!

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  I'd concentrate on the refineries. Oil and gas are Russia's economic lifeblood.

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                  Renauda
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                  #2145

                  @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                  I'd concentrate on the refineries. Oil and gas are Russia's economic lifeblood.

                  Maybe not that much:

                  However, Vakulenko noted that this may not impact the state budget because Russia can compensate for decreases in refined petroleum product exports by increasing its export of crude oil. Additionally, the companies that own the refineries continue to pay an oil extraction tax despite the attacks.

                  “Some people think that by attacking oil refineries, the related export revenue disappears, but that is not true. It just turns into revenue from crude oil export,” Vakulenko told The Moscow Times.

                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/08/are-ukrainian-drone-attacks-on-oil-refineries-hindering-russias-war-machine-a84772

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2146

                    Coffee time. An interview with Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges. The general pulls no punches. A wake up call to Americans:

                    Link to video

                    Elbows up!

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                      Renauda
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                      #2147

                      Russian use of the double tap strikes. Essentially strike your civilian target , wait long enough for first responders to arrive on the scene and organise then strike the target one or two times more. Excellent way to win the hearts and minds of good people:

                      https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68761490

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        Russian use of the double tap strikes. Essentially strike your civilian target , wait long enough for first responders to arrive on the scene and organise then strike the target one or two times more. Excellent way to win the hearts and minds of good people:

                        https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68761490

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2148

                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        the double tap strikes

                        Didn't the Germans use a similar tactic in London?

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2149

                          Not sure or better, not sure they could even if they wanted. True enough though that Gerry would send multiple waves of bombers on target areas during the course of many blitz missions. Still nothing compared to a double tap precision weapon strike on a specific targets of today. Aerial bombing was just not that accurate or precise in WWII. Stuka diver bombers had some degree of accuracy (depending on the skill of the pilot) but were limited by their speed, range and were totally defenceless to Hurricanes and Spits.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #2150

                            So this is where it stands:

                            "We know that many countries are sitting on large piles of Patriot systems, maybe not wanting to deliver it directly," Rutte said after arriving at the two-day summit of EU leaders in Brussels.

                            "We can buy it from them, we can deliver it to Ukraine, we have the money available. It's crucial."

                            https://kyivindependent.com/dutch-pm-offers-to-buy-patriot-systems-from-allies-for-ukraine/

                            The Danish Defense Ministry announced on April 16 a new 2.2 billion kroner ($313 million) military aid package for Ukraine. The package includes 200 million Danish kroner ($28.5 million) earmarked for purchases from Ukraine's defense industry.

                            "This is the first and so far unprecedented decision to purchase military products from Ukrainian manufacturers at the expense of another country," the Strategic Industries Ministry said in a statement.

                            https://kyivindependent.com/denmark-first-to-buy-weapons-for-ukraine-from-ukrainian-manufacturer-in-deal-worth-28-5-million/

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2151

                              Not sure I understand how this helps Ukraine. Are they producing surplus of some weaponry?

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #2152

                                I think that the Danes are purchasing from the Ukrainian supplier on behalf of the government in Kyiv. There’s no money in the coffers to pay for these weapons to keep the manufacturers in business.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Away
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2153

                                  Makes sense.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • W Offline
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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2154

                                    Trump on Ukraine. Wonder what made him adjust his stance...

                                    https://www.reuters.com/world/donald-trump-says-ukraines-survival-is-important-us-2024-04-18/

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                                    • W Wim

                                      Trump on Ukraine. Wonder what made him adjust his stance...

                                      https://www.reuters.com/world/donald-trump-says-ukraines-survival-is-important-us-2024-04-18/

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                                      taiwan_girl
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2155

                                      @Wim Votes in the upcoming election?

                                      I still dont get this blind allegiance to President Trump, as if he is some kind of "savant" who is smarter than everybody else. "OMG - President Trump said this/endorses this so it must be correct."

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2156

                                        In the last week Trump has met with both the British Foreign Secretary and the Polish Foreign Minister. Those meetings may have had an impact on Trump’s thinking on the Ukraine issue in the immediate short term. Likewise he sees how the GOP has divided itself over Ukraine aid issue.

                                        Fair enough that he wants NATO members to meet or exceed their commitments for defence. That is reasonable. As for European assistance to Ukraine, I doubt that he has a clear understanding of the extent of European assistance beyond arms. Trump’s meetings with Cameron and Duda might have disproved some misconceptions and assumptions. Who’s to know? Will have to see who and what else takes his ear, to know where he wants to take this.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Wim
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2157

                                          I had forgotten that Trump already met Polish president Duda in 2019. They share a lot of political ideas 🥴

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