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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #2132

    Gotta wonder how it evaded Russian radar for 800 miles.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • RenaudaR Renauda

      Ukrainian civilians in cities and towns will pay dearly for this.

      MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2133

      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      Ukrainian civilians in cities and towns will pay dearly for this.

      That seems to be the only thing Russia can do competently.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2134

        That and feed its soldiers into the meat grinder.

        Elbows up!

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        • George KG George K

          Gotta wonder how it evaded Russian radar for 800 miles.

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #2135

          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Gotta wonder how it evaded Russian radar for 800 miles.

          Interesting:

          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/02/difficult-to-keep-calm-tatarstan-residents-shaken-by-ukraine-linked-drone-strike-a84708

          Ukrainians just might have hit something more than a routine weapons factory. Could have a negative effect on the Kremlin in a large predominantly Muslim region.

          Elbows up!

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          • W Offline
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            Wim
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            #2136

            Really?

            https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/04/04/former-us-national-guard-member-facing-child-pornography-charges-joins-russian-army/

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            • RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #2137

              @Wim

              I saw that in The Moscow Times this morning as well. Goes to show you that in the Russian army anyone’s son will do.

              I hope he does not die well fighting for Putin or his cause.

              Elbows up!

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              • MikM Offline
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                Mik
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                This article sums up my views on Ukraine pretty well.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facing-the-russian-world/ar-BB1ld9J1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=094ffa8b3a704c15a5a057f89c97f980&ei=62

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • MikM Mik

                  This article sums up my views on Ukraine pretty well.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/facing-the-russian-world/ar-BB1ld9J1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=LCTS&cvid=094ffa8b3a704c15a5a057f89c97f980&ei=62

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                  #2139

                  @Mik

                  As one pundit pithily described the current situation in Ukraine the other day:

                  Pity Ukraine stabbed in front by the GOP and stabbed in the back by Biden…

                  Elbows up!

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                  • RenaudaR Offline
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                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                    #2140

                    Meanwhile inside Russia, the normalization of deviance violence continues to grow:

                    https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/08/russian-activist-who-helped-ukrainian-refugees-dies-in-custody-reports-a84773

                    Elbows up!

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2142

                        Looks like an accident, right?

                        RIGHT???

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • MikM Offline
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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
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                          At least it wasn’t a boat.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • George KG George K

                            Looks like an accident, right?

                            RIGHT???

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #2144

                            @George-K

                            More on bridge collapse:

                            According to independent Russian media outlet Meduza, Russian authorities announced plans to carry out repairs of the bridge’s road surface in 2018 and planned to spend around nine million rubles ($97,000) on the job.

                            https://kyivindependent.com/bridge-collapses-in-russias-smolensk-region-killing-1-injuring-5/

                            Perhaps the budget for repairs was diverted or stolen by management. After all, it is Russia where these incidents are taking place.

                            Curious coincidence though that someone managed to catch it on video at the very moment the bridge catastrophically failed. Those bridges over railroad yards are commonplace in Russian cities. Wonder what made that particular bridge so special around that particular time?

                            Elbows up!

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              I'd concentrate on the refineries. Oil and gas are Russia's economic lifeblood.

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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
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                              @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              I'd concentrate on the refineries. Oil and gas are Russia's economic lifeblood.

                              Maybe not that much:

                              However, Vakulenko noted that this may not impact the state budget because Russia can compensate for decreases in refined petroleum product exports by increasing its export of crude oil. Additionally, the companies that own the refineries continue to pay an oil extraction tax despite the attacks.

                              “Some people think that by attacking oil refineries, the related export revenue disappears, but that is not true. It just turns into revenue from crude oil export,” Vakulenko told The Moscow Times.

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/04/08/are-ukrainian-drone-attacks-on-oil-refineries-hindering-russias-war-machine-a84772

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
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                                Coffee time. An interview with Lt. Gen. Ben Hodges. The general pulls no punches. A wake up call to Americans:

                                Link to video

                                Elbows up!

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #2147

                                  Russian use of the double tap strikes. Essentially strike your civilian target , wait long enough for first responders to arrive on the scene and organise then strike the target one or two times more. Excellent way to win the hearts and minds of good people:

                                  https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68761490

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    Russian use of the double tap strikes. Essentially strike your civilian target , wait long enough for first responders to arrive on the scene and organise then strike the target one or two times more. Excellent way to win the hearts and minds of good people:

                                    https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-68761490

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2148

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    the double tap strikes

                                    Didn't the Germans use a similar tactic in London?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2149

                                      Not sure or better, not sure they could even if they wanted. True enough though that Gerry would send multiple waves of bombers on target areas during the course of many blitz missions. Still nothing compared to a double tap precision weapon strike on a specific targets of today. Aerial bombing was just not that accurate or precise in WWII. Stuka diver bombers had some degree of accuracy (depending on the skill of the pilot) but were limited by their speed, range and were totally defenceless to Hurricanes and Spits.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2150

                                        So this is where it stands:

                                        "We know that many countries are sitting on large piles of Patriot systems, maybe not wanting to deliver it directly," Rutte said after arriving at the two-day summit of EU leaders in Brussels.

                                        "We can buy it from them, we can deliver it to Ukraine, we have the money available. It's crucial."

                                        https://kyivindependent.com/dutch-pm-offers-to-buy-patriot-systems-from-allies-for-ukraine/

                                        The Danish Defense Ministry announced on April 16 a new 2.2 billion kroner ($313 million) military aid package for Ukraine. The package includes 200 million Danish kroner ($28.5 million) earmarked for purchases from Ukraine's defense industry.

                                        "This is the first and so far unprecedented decision to purchase military products from Ukrainian manufacturers at the expense of another country," the Strategic Industries Ministry said in a statement.

                                        https://kyivindependent.com/denmark-first-to-buy-weapons-for-ukraine-from-ukrainian-manufacturer-in-deal-worth-28-5-million/

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2151

                                          Not sure I understand how this helps Ukraine. Are they producing surplus of some weaponry?

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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