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    Renauda
    wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 01:22 last edited by Renauda 3 Jun 2024, 01:26
    #2081

    @George-K

    There might have been but Putin broke it?

    George, you gotta work with me on this one. You may have posted this one in the wrong theatre of current wars.

    Elbows up!

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    • R Renauda
      6 Mar 2024, 01:22

      @George-K

      There might have been but Putin broke it?

      George, you gotta work with me on this one. You may have posted this one in the wrong theatre of current wars.

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      George K
      wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 01:38 last edited by
      #2082

      @Renauda Whoopsie....

      I'm just channeling my inner Joe Biden: confusing Gaza with Ukraine.

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Renauda
        wrote on 6 Mar 2024, 02:22 last edited by Renauda 3 Jun 2024, 02:22
        #2083

        @George-K

        Нет проблем, бывает говно.

        Elbows up!

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          jon-nyc
          wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 03:58 last edited by
          #2084

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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            Wim
            wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 21:52 last edited by
            #2085

            Putin and Belgium....
            What a joke.
            https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/03/07/putin-falsely-claims-belgium-exists-largely-thanks-to-russia/

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              Renauda
              wrote on 7 Mar 2024, 23:17 last edited by
              #2086

              Actually a malicious joke.

              He’s blaming the Poles again. After all, Poland did start WWII.

              Elbows up!

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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on 8 Mar 2024, 03:03 last edited by
                #2087

                The below could go in many different forum threads but here is as good a place as any.

                https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/07/viktor-orban-to-visit-donald-trump-in-florida-hungary

                The longtime Hungarian prime minister, who has faced repeated criticism from the US government over democratic backsliding and his friendly relationship with the Kremlin, will be arriving in the US this week without an invitation from the White House.

                In an almost unheard-of move for a Nato country’s leader, he is not expected to meet anyone from the Biden administration.

                Instead, he is scheduled to speak on Thursday on a panel with the head of a conservative thinktank, the Heritage Foundation, before meeting Trump in Florida on Friday.

                and

                “Both Orbán and Putin’s communications focus on ‘peace’ negotiations, which would undoubtedly benefit the Russians,” Buda said, adding that “one cannot be wrong to assume that Orbán is ultimately lobbying the US on foreign policy in favour of Russia”.

                The Hungarian leader has publicly expressed his hope for a foreign policy shift in Washington and Brussels.

                and

                The Hungarian government – which maintains relationships with Moscow and Beijing, still employs former communist security officials and is known for its tendency to skew business competition at home – does not fit in well with traditional American conservatives. The late Republican John McCain described Orbán in 2014 as “a neo-fascist dictator”.

                Nevertheless, Orbán’s team have spent a significant amount of time and money on cultivating relationships with a different strand of US conservatives.

                The Hungarian government has in recent years hired US consultancies with conservative links to help improve its image.

                The Hungarian embassy in Washington has also been directly involved in the outreach: for example, it hosted the former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy twice in the past year.

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                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on 9 Mar 2024, 16:12 last edited by
                  #2088

                  https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2912366/trump-welcomes-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-to-mar-a-lago-resort/

                  A bit worrying.

                  Trump’s presidential campaign claimed the pair met to discuss a “wide range of issues affecting Hungary and the United States, including the paramount importance of strong and secure borders to protect the sovereignty of each nation.”

                  “He’s a non-controversial figure because he says, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it. Right?” Trump said of the Hungarian prime minister in a video on Instagram. “He’s the boss.”

                  and

                  Orban has faced backlash over his friendship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his resistance to sending aid to Ukraine and expanding NATO, and even allegations of trying to weaken the judiciary system in Hungary.

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                    9 Mar 2024, 16:12

                    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2912366/trump-welcomes-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-to-mar-a-lago-resort/

                    A bit worrying.

                    Trump’s presidential campaign claimed the pair met to discuss a “wide range of issues affecting Hungary and the United States, including the paramount importance of strong and secure borders to protect the sovereignty of each nation.”

                    “He’s a non-controversial figure because he says, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it. Right?” Trump said of the Hungarian prime minister in a video on Instagram. “He’s the boss.”

                    and

                    Orban has faced backlash over his friendship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his resistance to sending aid to Ukraine and expanding NATO, and even allegations of trying to weaken the judiciary system in Hungary.

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 9 Mar 2024, 17:46 last edited by Renauda 3 Sept 2024, 19:09
                    #2089

                    @taiwan_girl

                    Not the least bit worrying. Viktor Orban is a paragon of liberal democracy. For one, unlike Lukashenko or Putin, he does not beat up, incarcerate or murder his opponents. He merely changes rules and election laws so he can stay in power. The much heralded President Presumptive of America, the Duke of Mar-A-Lago, might gain valuable insight from this visit.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • R Renauda
                      9 Mar 2024, 17:46

                      @taiwan_girl

                      Not the least bit worrying. Viktor Orban is a paragon of liberal democracy. For one, unlike Lukashenko or Putin, he does not beat up, incarcerate or murder his opponents. He merely changes rules and election laws so he can stay in power. The much heralded President Presumptive of America, the Duke of Mar-A-Lago, might gain valuable insight from this visit.

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                      Wim
                      wrote on 9 Mar 2024, 19:09 last edited by
                      #2090

                      @Renauda Always optimistic you, eh? 😁

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 9 Mar 2024, 19:09 last edited by
                        #2091

                        Perennially optimistic.

                        Elbows up!

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                          taiwan_girl
                          wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 01:35 last edited by
                          #2092

                          https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/trump-ukraine-war-viktor-orban

                          Donald Trump “will not give a penny” to Ukraine if he is re-elected US president, the far-right Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said after a controversial meeting with Trump in Florida.

                          “He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told state media in Hungary on Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”

                          and

                          Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said: “If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over. And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.” (This would likely mean Ukraine losing the war to Russia.)

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 01:43 last edited by
                            #2093

                            Somehow that’s not the wise statesmanship I think we need.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              Wim
                              wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 09:47 last edited by
                              #2094

                              Fights within Russia

                              https://www.kyivpost.com/post/29369

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 11:20 last edited by
                                #2095

                                From little acorns...

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  12 Mar 2024, 01:35

                                  https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/trump-ukraine-war-viktor-orban

                                  Donald Trump “will not give a penny” to Ukraine if he is re-elected US president, the far-right Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said after a controversial meeting with Trump in Florida.

                                  “He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told state media in Hungary on Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”

                                  and

                                  Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said: “If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over. And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.” (This would likely mean Ukraine losing the war to Russia.)

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 12 Mar 2024, 15:16 last edited by Renauda 3 Dec 2024, 19:28
                                  #2096

                                  @taiwan_girl

                                  Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                  Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                  Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • R Renauda
                                    12 Mar 2024, 15:16

                                    @taiwan_girl

                                    Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                    Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                    Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

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                                    Jolly
                                    wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 00:17 last edited by
                                    #2097

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    @taiwan_girl

                                    Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                    Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                    Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                    Nah, Mr. President will do.

                                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 00:30 last edited by Renauda
                                      #2098

                                      No, in Viktor Orban’s world, the title Mr. President is already reserved for Tsar Putin.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 12:51 last edited by
                                        #2099

                                        Ukrainians hitting oil refineries in Russia.

                                        Somewhere, I read that the one that was struck (Ryazan) is responsible for 13% of Russias refining capacity.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 13 Mar 2024, 14:00 last edited by Renauda
                                          #2100

                                          Putin is feeling cocky:

                                          "The fact is that the militaries of Western countries have been present in Ukraine for a long time," the Russian leader claimed, referring to what the Kremlin says are mercenaries.

                                          "But if we talk about official military contingents of foreign countries, I am sure it will not change the situation on the battlefield," he added.

                                          So now he doesn’t care if NATO members deploy troops to Ukraine, so long as no US troops are among that number?

                                          https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/03/13/in-quotes-putin-grants-wide-ranging-interview-to-state-media-ahead-of-election-a84443

                                          Elbows up!

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