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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2079

    Poland’s Foreign Minister, Radislaw Sikorski, administers terse rebuttal and “Come to Jesus” moment directly to the Russian Ambassador to the UN at the Security Council Plenum ten days ago:

    Video:

    https://news.sky.com/video/polish-foreign-minister-corrects-the-record-for-russia-in-un-security-council-meeting-13080530

    Transcript:

    https://www.gov.pl/web/diplomacy/minister-radoslaw-sikorski-deliveres-speech-at-the-un-security-council

    Doubt if they showed that on RT or any TV news report in Russia. Wouldn’t hurt if a few politicians and interest groups in the West watched or paid close attention as well.

    Elbows up!

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #2080

      Hamas insists permanent ceasefire needed for hostage deal

      Hamas publicly insisted Tuesday that a permanent ceasefire must be in place before any deal is implemented for the release of the remaining 134 hostages held in Gaza, in a statement that seemed to run counter to optimism from Washington that an agreement was possible before the start of the holy month of Ramadan.

      “In the past two days, the movement presented its position on the proposal put forward by the brotherly Qatari and Egyptian mediators,” senior Hamas official Osama Hamdan said in Beirut.

      He spoke as ceasefire talks mediated by both Egypt and Qatar continued in Cairo with no sign of a breakthrough.

      “We reaffirmed our conditions for a ceasefire: a full pullout from the Strip and the return of the displaced [Palestinians] from areas they left, in particular in the north,” he said.

      Wasn't there a cease-fire in place on October 6?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • RenaudaR Offline
        RenaudaR Offline
        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #2081

        @George-K

        There might have been but Putin broke it?

        George, you gotta work with me on this one. You may have posted this one in the wrong theatre of current wars.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @George-K

          There might have been but Putin broke it?

          George, you gotta work with me on this one. You may have posted this one in the wrong theatre of current wars.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #2082

          @Renauda Whoopsie....

          I'm just channeling my inner Joe Biden: confusing Gaza with Ukraine.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • RenaudaR Offline
            RenaudaR Offline
            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2083

            @George-K

            Нет проблем, бывает говно.

            Elbows up!

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            • jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nycJ Online
              jon-nyc
              wrote on last edited by
              #2084

              Only non-witches get due process.

              • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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              • W Offline
                W Offline
                Wim
                wrote on last edited by
                #2085

                Putin and Belgium....
                What a joke.
                https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/03/07/putin-falsely-claims-belgium-exists-largely-thanks-to-russia/

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                • RenaudaR Offline
                  RenaudaR Offline
                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2086

                  Actually a malicious joke.

                  He’s blaming the Poles again. After all, Poland did start WWII.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2087

                    The below could go in many different forum threads but here is as good a place as any.

                    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/07/viktor-orban-to-visit-donald-trump-in-florida-hungary

                    The longtime Hungarian prime minister, who has faced repeated criticism from the US government over democratic backsliding and his friendly relationship with the Kremlin, will be arriving in the US this week without an invitation from the White House.

                    In an almost unheard-of move for a Nato country’s leader, he is not expected to meet anyone from the Biden administration.

                    Instead, he is scheduled to speak on Thursday on a panel with the head of a conservative thinktank, the Heritage Foundation, before meeting Trump in Florida on Friday.

                    and

                    “Both Orbán and Putin’s communications focus on ‘peace’ negotiations, which would undoubtedly benefit the Russians,” Buda said, adding that “one cannot be wrong to assume that Orbán is ultimately lobbying the US on foreign policy in favour of Russia”.

                    The Hungarian leader has publicly expressed his hope for a foreign policy shift in Washington and Brussels.

                    and

                    The Hungarian government – which maintains relationships with Moscow and Beijing, still employs former communist security officials and is known for its tendency to skew business competition at home – does not fit in well with traditional American conservatives. The late Republican John McCain described Orbán in 2014 as “a neo-fascist dictator”.

                    Nevertheless, Orbán’s team have spent a significant amount of time and money on cultivating relationships with a different strand of US conservatives.

                    The Hungarian government has in recent years hired US consultancies with conservative links to help improve its image.

                    The Hungarian embassy in Washington has also been directly involved in the outreach: for example, it hosted the former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy twice in the past year.

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                    • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                      taiwan_girl
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2088

                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2912366/trump-welcomes-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-to-mar-a-lago-resort/

                      A bit worrying.

                      Trump’s presidential campaign claimed the pair met to discuss a “wide range of issues affecting Hungary and the United States, including the paramount importance of strong and secure borders to protect the sovereignty of each nation.”

                      “He’s a non-controversial figure because he says, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it. Right?” Trump said of the Hungarian prime minister in a video on Instagram. “He’s the boss.”

                      and

                      Orban has faced backlash over his friendship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his resistance to sending aid to Ukraine and expanding NATO, and even allegations of trying to weaken the judiciary system in Hungary.

                      RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
                      • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                        https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2912366/trump-welcomes-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-to-mar-a-lago-resort/

                        A bit worrying.

                        Trump’s presidential campaign claimed the pair met to discuss a “wide range of issues affecting Hungary and the United States, including the paramount importance of strong and secure borders to protect the sovereignty of each nation.”

                        “He’s a non-controversial figure because he says, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it. Right?” Trump said of the Hungarian prime minister in a video on Instagram. “He’s the boss.”

                        and

                        Orban has faced backlash over his friendship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his resistance to sending aid to Ukraine and expanding NATO, and even allegations of trying to weaken the judiciary system in Hungary.

                        RenaudaR Offline
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                        Renauda
                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                        #2089

                        @taiwan_girl

                        Not the least bit worrying. Viktor Orban is a paragon of liberal democracy. For one, unlike Lukashenko or Putin, he does not beat up, incarcerate or murder his opponents. He merely changes rules and election laws so he can stay in power. The much heralded President Presumptive of America, the Duke of Mar-A-Lago, might gain valuable insight from this visit.

                        Elbows up!

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                        • RenaudaR Renauda

                          @taiwan_girl

                          Not the least bit worrying. Viktor Orban is a paragon of liberal democracy. For one, unlike Lukashenko or Putin, he does not beat up, incarcerate or murder his opponents. He merely changes rules and election laws so he can stay in power. The much heralded President Presumptive of America, the Duke of Mar-A-Lago, might gain valuable insight from this visit.

                          W Offline
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                          Wim
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2090

                          @Renauda Always optimistic you, eh? 😁

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                          • RenaudaR Offline
                            RenaudaR Offline
                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2091

                            Perennially optimistic.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • taiwan_girlT Offline
                              taiwan_girlT Offline
                              taiwan_girl
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2092

                              https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/trump-ukraine-war-viktor-orban

                              Donald Trump “will not give a penny” to Ukraine if he is re-elected US president, the far-right Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said after a controversial meeting with Trump in Florida.

                              “He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told state media in Hungary on Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”

                              and

                              Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said: “If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over. And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.” (This would likely mean Ukraine losing the war to Russia.)

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2093

                                Somehow that’s not the wise statesmanship I think we need.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • W Offline
                                  W Offline
                                  Wim
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2094

                                  Fights within Russia

                                  https://www.kyivpost.com/post/29369

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2095

                                    From little acorns...

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                      https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/trump-ukraine-war-viktor-orban

                                      Donald Trump “will not give a penny” to Ukraine if he is re-elected US president, the far-right Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said after a controversial meeting with Trump in Florida.

                                      “He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told state media in Hungary on Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”

                                      and

                                      Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said: “If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over. And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.” (This would likely mean Ukraine losing the war to Russia.)

                                      RenaudaR Offline
                                      RenaudaR Offline
                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                      #2096

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                      Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                      Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        @taiwan_girl

                                        Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                        Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                        Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                        JollyJ Offline
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                                        Jolly
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2097

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        @taiwan_girl

                                        Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                        Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                        Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                        Nah, Mr. President will do.

                                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                        • RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #2098

                                          No, in Viktor Orban’s world, the title Mr. President is already reserved for Tsar Putin.

                                          Elbows up!

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