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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #2080

    Hamas insists permanent ceasefire needed for hostage deal

    Hamas publicly insisted Tuesday that a permanent ceasefire must be in place before any deal is implemented for the release of the remaining 134 hostages held in Gaza, in a statement that seemed to run counter to optimism from Washington that an agreement was possible before the start of the holy month of Ramadan.

    “In the past two days, the movement presented its position on the proposal put forward by the brotherly Qatari and Egyptian mediators,” senior Hamas official Osama Hamdan said in Beirut.

    He spoke as ceasefire talks mediated by both Egypt and Qatar continued in Cairo with no sign of a breakthrough.

    “We reaffirmed our conditions for a ceasefire: a full pullout from the Strip and the return of the displaced [Palestinians] from areas they left, in particular in the north,” he said.

    Wasn't there a cease-fire in place on October 6?

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • RenaudaR Offline
      RenaudaR Offline
      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #2081

      @George-K

      There might have been but Putin broke it?

      George, you gotta work with me on this one. You may have posted this one in the wrong theatre of current wars.

      Elbows up!

      George KG 1 Reply Last reply
      • RenaudaR Renauda

        @George-K

        There might have been but Putin broke it?

        George, you gotta work with me on this one. You may have posted this one in the wrong theatre of current wars.

        George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #2082

        @Renauda Whoopsie....

        I'm just channeling my inner Joe Biden: confusing Gaza with Ukraine.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • RenaudaR Offline
          RenaudaR Offline
          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by Renauda
          #2083

          @George-K

          Нет проблем, бывает говно.

          Elbows up!

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          • jon-nycJ Offline
            jon-nycJ Offline
            jon-nyc
            wrote on last edited by
            #2084

            Only non-witches get due process.

            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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            • W Offline
              W Offline
              Wim
              wrote on last edited by
              #2085

              Putin and Belgium....
              What a joke.
              https://euromaidanpress.com/2024/03/07/putin-falsely-claims-belgium-exists-largely-thanks-to-russia/

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              • RenaudaR Offline
                RenaudaR Offline
                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #2086

                Actually a malicious joke.

                He’s blaming the Poles again. After all, Poland did start WWII.

                Elbows up!

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                • taiwan_girlT Offline
                  taiwan_girlT Offline
                  taiwan_girl
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2087

                  The below could go in many different forum threads but here is as good a place as any.

                  https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/mar/07/viktor-orban-to-visit-donald-trump-in-florida-hungary

                  The longtime Hungarian prime minister, who has faced repeated criticism from the US government over democratic backsliding and his friendly relationship with the Kremlin, will be arriving in the US this week without an invitation from the White House.

                  In an almost unheard-of move for a Nato country’s leader, he is not expected to meet anyone from the Biden administration.

                  Instead, he is scheduled to speak on Thursday on a panel with the head of a conservative thinktank, the Heritage Foundation, before meeting Trump in Florida on Friday.

                  and

                  “Both Orbán and Putin’s communications focus on ‘peace’ negotiations, which would undoubtedly benefit the Russians,” Buda said, adding that “one cannot be wrong to assume that Orbán is ultimately lobbying the US on foreign policy in favour of Russia”.

                  The Hungarian leader has publicly expressed his hope for a foreign policy shift in Washington and Brussels.

                  and

                  The Hungarian government – which maintains relationships with Moscow and Beijing, still employs former communist security officials and is known for its tendency to skew business competition at home – does not fit in well with traditional American conservatives. The late Republican John McCain described Orbán in 2014 as “a neo-fascist dictator”.

                  Nevertheless, Orbán’s team have spent a significant amount of time and money on cultivating relationships with a different strand of US conservatives.

                  The Hungarian government has in recent years hired US consultancies with conservative links to help improve its image.

                  The Hungarian embassy in Washington has also been directly involved in the outreach: for example, it hosted the former Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy twice in the past year.

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                  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                    taiwan_girl
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2088

                    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2912366/trump-welcomes-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-to-mar-a-lago-resort/

                    A bit worrying.

                    Trump’s presidential campaign claimed the pair met to discuss a “wide range of issues affecting Hungary and the United States, including the paramount importance of strong and secure borders to protect the sovereignty of each nation.”

                    “He’s a non-controversial figure because he says, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it. Right?” Trump said of the Hungarian prime minister in a video on Instagram. “He’s the boss.”

                    and

                    Orban has faced backlash over his friendship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his resistance to sending aid to Ukraine and expanding NATO, and even allegations of trying to weaken the judiciary system in Hungary.

                    RenaudaR 1 Reply Last reply
                    • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                      https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/2912366/trump-welcomes-hungarian-prime-minister-viktor-orban-to-mar-a-lago-resort/

                      A bit worrying.

                      Trump’s presidential campaign claimed the pair met to discuss a “wide range of issues affecting Hungary and the United States, including the paramount importance of strong and secure borders to protect the sovereignty of each nation.”

                      “He’s a non-controversial figure because he says, ‘This is the way it’s going to be,’ and that’s the end of it. Right?” Trump said of the Hungarian prime minister in a video on Instagram. “He’s the boss.”

                      and

                      Orban has faced backlash over his friendship with Russian President Vladimir Putin, his resistance to sending aid to Ukraine and expanding NATO, and even allegations of trying to weaken the judiciary system in Hungary.

                      RenaudaR Offline
                      RenaudaR Offline
                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by Renauda
                      #2089

                      @taiwan_girl

                      Not the least bit worrying. Viktor Orban is a paragon of liberal democracy. For one, unlike Lukashenko or Putin, he does not beat up, incarcerate or murder his opponents. He merely changes rules and election laws so he can stay in power. The much heralded President Presumptive of America, the Duke of Mar-A-Lago, might gain valuable insight from this visit.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                        @taiwan_girl

                        Not the least bit worrying. Viktor Orban is a paragon of liberal democracy. For one, unlike Lukashenko or Putin, he does not beat up, incarcerate or murder his opponents. He merely changes rules and election laws so he can stay in power. The much heralded President Presumptive of America, the Duke of Mar-A-Lago, might gain valuable insight from this visit.

                        W Offline
                        W Offline
                        Wim
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2090

                        @Renauda Always optimistic you, eh? 😁

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                        • RenaudaR Offline
                          RenaudaR Offline
                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2091

                          Perennially optimistic.

                          Elbows up!

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                          • taiwan_girlT Offline
                            taiwan_girlT Offline
                            taiwan_girl
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #2092

                            https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/trump-ukraine-war-viktor-orban

                            Donald Trump “will not give a penny” to Ukraine if he is re-elected US president, the far-right Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said after a controversial meeting with Trump in Florida.

                            “He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told state media in Hungary on Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”

                            and

                            Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said: “If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over. And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.” (This would likely mean Ukraine losing the war to Russia.)

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2093

                              Somehow that’s not the wise statesmanship I think we need.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • W Offline
                                W Offline
                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2094

                                Fights within Russia

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/29369

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2095

                                  From little acorns...

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/mar/11/trump-ukraine-war-viktor-orban

                                    Donald Trump “will not give a penny” to Ukraine if he is re-elected US president, the far-right Hungarian prime minister, Viktor Orbán, said after a controversial meeting with Trump in Florida.

                                    “He will not give a penny in the Ukraine-Russia war,” Orbán told state media in Hungary on Sunday. “Therefore, the war will end, because it is obvious that Ukraine can not stand on its own feet.”

                                    and

                                    Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said: “If the Americans don’t give money and weapons, along with the Europeans, the war is over. And if the Americans don’t give money, the Europeans alone can’t finance this war. And then the war is over.” (This would likely mean Ukraine losing the war to Russia.)

                                    RenaudaR Offline
                                    RenaudaR Offline
                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #2096

                                    @taiwan_girl

                                    Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                    Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                    Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                      Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                      Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                      JollyJ Offline
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                                      Jolly
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2097

                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      @taiwan_girl

                                      Calling Trump “a man of peace”, Orbán said…

                                      Funny, Nikki Haley and others of notable rank and station, who know Trump much better than Orban will ever hope, refer to him as a “man of chaos”.

                                      Soon Orban, the court jester he is, will be referring to the Duke of Mar-a-Lago, my Liege.

                                      Nah, Mr. President will do.

                                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
                                        RenaudaR Offline
                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #2098

                                        No, in Viktor Orban’s world, the title Mr. President is already reserved for Tsar Putin.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2099

                                          Ukrainians hitting oil refineries in Russia.

                                          Somewhere, I read that the one that was struck (Ryazan) is responsible for 13% of Russias refining capacity.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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