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  • RenaudaR Offline
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    Renauda
    wrote on last edited by Renauda
    #2049

    Battle or meat grinder for Adiivka continues. Russian losses estimated at 13:1.
    Suspect George’s video above documents what is happening on the ground there:

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2024/01/30/russian-troops-crawled-through-a-sewer-to-attack-avdiivka-ukrainian-drones-were-waiting-for-them/?sh=6758094f5cca

    Elbows up!

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #2050

      WWII strategy, or lack of any strategy at all.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Wim
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        #2051

        Meanwhile this happened:
        https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/07/major-chinese-bank-halts-all-settlements-with-russia-vedomosti-a84001

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          Wim
          wrote on last edited by Wim
          #2052

          And this is happening as well:
          https://www.kyivpost.com/post/27740

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          • W Wim

            Meanwhile this happened:
            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/07/major-chinese-bank-halts-all-settlements-with-russia-vedomosti-a84001

            taiwan_girlT Offline
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            taiwan_girl
            wrote on last edited by
            #2053

            @Wim That is interesting. China is pretty much the only major trading partner for Russia now. If they lose China...........

            It is surprising that Chian would do this. With all of the domestic problems (including exports) they are having, I wonder the reasoning.

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by George K
              #2054

              Submarine fleet got bigger

              1392e74f-1e25-4bf3-9135-62240989f46e-image.jpeg

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • W Offline
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                Wim
                wrote on last edited by
                #2055

                Putin wants to talk about ceasefire?
                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28053

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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2056

                  GGSMAaCXEAA0B_z.jpeg

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • W Wim

                    Putin wants to talk about ceasefire?
                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28053

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2057

                    @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    Putin wants to talk about ceasefire?
                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28053

                    I almost stopped reading at "Russia says," but I see that the US insists that Kyiv be part of the talks, and Putin said nyet.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2058

                      GGSxt5SW8AACKgA.jpeg

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • George KG George K

                        @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Putin wants to talk about ceasefire?
                        https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28053

                        I almost stopped reading at "Russia says," but I see that the US insists that Kyiv be part of the talks, and Putin said nyet.

                        W Offline
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                        Wim
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #2059

                        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        I almost stopped reading at "Russia says," but I see that the US insists that Kyiv be part of the talks, and Putin said nyet.

                        Beware of "Track II". The Kurds have experienced something alike.

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                        • George KG George K

                          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Putin wants to talk about ceasefire?
                          https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28053

                          I almost stopped reading at "Russia says," but I see that the US insists that Kyiv be part of the talks, and Putin said nyet.

                          RenaudaR Offline
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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #2060

                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Putin wants to talk about ceasefire?
                          https://www.kyivpost.com/post/28053

                          I almost stopped reading at "Russia says," but I see that the US insists that Kyiv be part of the talks, and Putin said nyet.

                          This issue was debated here three months ago in December. The US must be at the table along side Ukraine as honest broker, arbitrator and guarantor. It’s all about winning the peace.

                          https://nodebb.the-new-coffee-room.club/topic/28373/the-zoomies-are-not-all-right/19?_=1707917152632

                          Elbows up!

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by Mik
                            #2061

                            His hope is to incent Biden to bite in an election year with a difficult Congress, yet still retain occupied territory. It’s to Biden’s credit that he refused.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by Renauda
                              #2062

                              The Kremlin has wasted no time in denying it made such an offer to the US:

                              https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2024/02/14/kremlin-denies-report-that-putin-offered-ukraine-truce-to-us-a84076

                              That probably means that the report is true. Besides, Putin as much as said in his sermon/lecture to FuCa last week that he is prepared to negotiate Ukraine’s continued existence with any sitting US president. Makes sense, since Putin rejects the notion that Ukraine is a sovereign country or even exists.

                              Elbows up!

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

                                Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

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                                taiwan_girl
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2063

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

                                Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

                                3D Chess by President Putin???????

                                https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

                                Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

                                “Biden, he’s more experienced, more predictable, he’s a politician of the old formation,” Putin said. “But we will work with any U.S. leader whom the American people trust.”

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                                • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

                                  Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

                                  3D Chess by President Putin???????

                                  https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

                                  Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

                                  “Biden, he’s more experienced, more predictable, he’s a politician of the old formation,” Putin said. “But we will work with any U.S. leader whom the American people trust.”

                                  George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #2064

                                  @taiwan_girl said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

                                  Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

                                  GOP campaign ad - right there.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • taiwan_girlT taiwan_girl

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    As John Bolton stated in a recent interview “Putin thought Trump was a fool who could be easily manipulable if he could get him the right situations”. Putin certainly recognized that Trump admired the other strong man leaders like Erdogan, Xi and Kim. Moreover, he saw Trump as a force set out to weaken if not altogether dissolve NATO.

                                    Trump sold out the Kurds to Erdogan so why, in his little narcissistic brain, should the Ukrainians be not be sold out to Putin?

                                    3D Chess by President Putin???????

                                    https://apnews.com/article/russia-putin-biden-trump-fb2fece0be7685624a3e3e379a8a3bd3

                                    Speaking in an interview with a correspondent of Russian state television, Putin declared that he will work with any U.S. leader who is elected, but noted unequivocally that he would prefer Biden’s victory when asked who would be a better choice from the point of view of Russia.

                                    “Biden, he’s more experienced, more predictable, he’s a politician of the old formation,” Putin said. “But we will work with any U.S. leader whom the American people trust.”

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #2065

                                    @taiwan_girl

                                    Traditionally the Kremlin has always preferred Republican administrations for their consistency in policy. I recall during the Carter administration following the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, a Soviet diplomat once saying something to the effect that “while the Republicans say bad things about us, the Democrats do bad things to us”. It was no secret that Brezhnev and Gromyko got along famously with Nixon and Kissinger and that Reagan and GWH Bush got on well with Gorbachev. The apparent close relationship between Clinton and Yeltsin was something of an anomaly and was actually fraught with a lot of behind the scenes disagreements that eventually led to lasting resentment.

                                    My feeling then is that Peskov and the Kremlin are blowing smoke. Putin insisted a week ago that he has never spoken with Biden since the meeting in Switzerland prior to 24 February 2022 or, at least, can’t recall the last time he did. As Dr. George pointed out the Kremlin’s statement is a campaign ad for the GOP.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Offline
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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2066

                                      For all the time and treasure we have put into analyzing the USSR and now Russia we seem to continually misunderstand them.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2067

                                        Report from BBC on the same:

                                        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-68303231

                                        Elbows up!

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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #2068

                                          Spot on. Yet, many Americans will take his words at face value, something you can never, ever do with Putin.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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