The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 22:50 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
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wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 23:01 last edited by
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
This war isn't primarily about American domestic policies.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
This war isn't primarily about American domestic policies.
wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 23:24 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
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wrote on 20 Mar 2022, 23:43 last edited by
Tonight's update.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 00:27 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
And I thought thought it was all about pop culture and Putin’s repressed
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wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 00:48 last edited by
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 00:49 last edited by@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
Wait, that’s since 03/16. My bad.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 00:59 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
You can pretend what you wish. Very hard to quote articles for original thought.
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wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 01:02 last edited by
Of course, how many of you guppies bought the Russia Hoax or Biden's crap about all the spooks saying Hunter's laptop was Russian misinformation?
Think deeper
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Of course, how many of you guppies bought the Russia Hoax or Biden's crap about all the spooks saying Hunter's laptop was Russian misinformation?
Think deeper
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 13:29 last edited by RenaudaAre you suggesting that this war was orchestrated by the Bidens and others in the DNC to have the Ukrainians fight the Russians as US proxies?
If you do, I suggest it is you who ought to dig a little deeper in the information that is out there. This is entirely Putin’s war and he has been preparing for it on and off ever since Viktor Yushchenko’s presidential win in Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and election in December 2004 and January 2005.
May I recommend a concise and highly readable start in your research:
https://www.amazon.ca/Who-Lost-Russia-World-Entered/dp/1786070413
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wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 13:35 last edited by Horace
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
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It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 13:45 last edited by Doctor Phibes@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
I was only joking
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 13:51 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 13:53 last edited by@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
My sources tell me otherwise.
Be seeing you.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 13:54 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
The education I provide here is not for my contemporaries. The internet is forever, and I think my teachings will take hold in 50 or 60 generations, when our cultural ideas are sufficiently sophisticated to accept them.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 14:03 last edited by@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 14:21 last edited by Horace@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 14:30 last edited by@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 14:35 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
Who doesn't understand that it's ideal to strike a balance between supporting Ukraine and a nuclear winter?
The issue is a sharp dividing line between one sort of non nuclear support and another. A line that can be questioned and discussed without getting performatively shocked faced about it.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
wrote on 21 Mar 2022, 14:41 last edited by@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
Jolly made it quite clear. It's Wag the Dog by proxy and in reverse. The media didn't create the war, but the amount of coverage and the type of coverage can do a couple of things:
A. By selecting stories, the media can push narratives and create sentiment. A constant stream of human tragedy stories pushes the emotional buttons of good people and compels them to do something. Ever watch those 60 second ASPCA commercials of the emaciated dog starving in the snow, shivering from the bitter cold? They're effective. Imagine a barrage of like stories involving humans in a war zone. Air enough of them and you effect policy.
B. With the war coverage, it leaves a lot less time on MSM coverage for other stories. The MSM will then pick and choose what stories it covers. A Presidential candidate lying in a Presidential debate, touting 50 expert opinions as concluding the Hunter Laptop was "disinformation" and a Russian plot and then the MSM's refusal to carry that story is huge. ..That means the MSM directly influenced a Presidential election, not through a sin of ommission, but a sin of commission.
It also means by not covering the story now, the MSM is protecting their investment in a senile President who us doing whatever his handlers and party machine tell him to do. They are doubling down.
Now, can you understand that or am I typing too fast for you?
