The Ukraine war thread
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@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
I was wondering how long it would take.
For what to take? I'm simply making a statement that when my views closely match the general popular consensus it throws up a red flag and makes me want to step back and take another look for the facts that I am not seeing?
You can wonder if there's more to the story without being a Russian tool for disinformation...You can also wonder if there's more to the story while still generally supporting Ukraine.
No one's doing that, though. No one here on this board is wondering whether or not there's more to the story because everyone is already aware of that. There's not a single person here who thinks this situation is simple to understand or that Putin just woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine.
And I don't see anyone in the media advocating for World War III so I don't know where you're getting this "mob" talk, either.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
I was wondering how long it would take.
For what to take? I'm simply making a statement that when my views closely match the general popular consensus it throws up a red flag and makes me want to step back and take another look for the facts that I am not seeing?
You can wonder if there's more to the story without being a Russian tool for disinformation...You can also wonder if there's more to the story while still generally supporting Ukraine.
No one's doing that, though. No one here on this board is wondering whether or not there's more to the story because everyone is already aware of that. There's not a single person here who thinks this situation is simple to understand or that Putin just woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine.
And I don't see anyone in the media advocating for World War III so I don't know where you're getting this "mob" talk, either.
I see it. There is a preponderance of coverage by the MSM on the Ukraine War, with the vast majority of it being sympathetic with the Ukranians. That's okay, I'm sympathetic for their plight.
What I'm trying to point out, is whether the MSM is following the story because of classic "it bleeds, it leads" or whether the emphasis is there to craft a narrative.
Because of Russia! Russia! Russia! and the deep-sixing of the Hunter story during the final weeks of the election, I think we all have the right to question the MSM's motives on how and when they report their stories. Maybe in this case, they have a powerful story, but it still can be used like a cat covering up shit, to draw eyeballs away from the Biden Economic Fuckup.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
@jon-nyc said in The Ukraine war thread:
I was wondering how long it would take.
For what to take? I'm simply making a statement that when my views closely match the general popular consensus it throws up a red flag and makes me want to step back and take another look for the facts that I am not seeing?
You can wonder if there's more to the story without being a Russian tool for disinformation...You can also wonder if there's more to the story while still generally supporting Ukraine.
No one's doing that, though. No one here on this board is wondering whether or not there's more to the story because everyone is already aware of that. There's not a single person here who thinks this situation is simple to understand or that Putin just woke up one day and decided to invade Ukraine.
And I don't see anyone in the media advocating for World War III so I don't know where you're getting this "mob" talk, either.
I see it. There is a preponderance of coverage by the MSM on the Ukraine War, with the vast majority of it being sympathetic with the Ukranians. That's okay, I'm sympathetic for their plight.
What I'm trying to point out, is whether the MSM is following the story because of classic "it bleeds, it leads" or whether the emphasis is there to craft a narrative.
Because of Russia! Russia! Russia! and the deep-sixing of the Hunter story during the final weeks of the election, I think we all have the right to question the MSM's motives on how and when they report their stories. Maybe in this case, they have a powerful story, but it still can be used like a cat covering up shit, to draw eyeballs away from the Biden Economic Fuckup.
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
I see it.
I just checked Google news. Here are the headlines:
- Russia-Ukraine War: What Happened Today
- Ukraine's Zelenskiy presses Israel for missile defence help, fighting rages in Mariupol
- Russia says it used hypersonic missiles in Ukraine again
- First Thing: Talks between Russia and Ukraine to resume
Not a single one of those stories are advocating for World War III. Not one.
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Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
“Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”
Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
Please love yourself.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
This war isn't primarily about American domestic policies.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
This war isn't primarily about American domestic policies.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
Please love yourself.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
From what I've seen, the 'bigger picture' is certain people trying to make this about the US media and the USA political landscape in general.
Well I say, this is the first I've ever heard of an American falling victim to that!
And I thought thought it was all about pop culture and Putin’s repressed
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
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@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
@LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Tonight's update.
10%-20% of their total equipment loss in one day? Ouch.
Wait, that’s since 03/16. My bad.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
Missing the bigger picture, aren't you?
How it works is, if you make a claim, you have to back it up. I gave you today's news as proof no one was advocating for World War III. You countered with the They Live defense, and without any evidence.
And I'd be willing to bet that this conversation could go on for days and you'll still never quote an article and claim it's evidence that they're advocating for WWIII.
Until you do, I'm done pretending this is an actual discussion.
You can pretend what you wish. Very hard to quote articles for original thought.
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Of course, how many of you guppies bought the Russia Hoax or Biden's crap about all the spooks saying Hunter's laptop was Russian misinformation?
Think deeper
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Of course, how many of you guppies bought the Russia Hoax or Biden's crap about all the spooks saying Hunter's laptop was Russian misinformation?
Think deeper
Are you suggesting that this war was orchestrated by the Bidens and others in the DNC to have the Ukrainians fight the Russians as US proxies?
If you do, I suggest it is you who ought to dig a little deeper in the information that is out there. This is entirely Putin’s war and he has been preparing for it on and off ever since Viktor Yushchenko’s presidential win in Ukraine’s Orange Revolution and election in December 2004 and January 2005.
May I recommend a concise and highly readable start in your research:
https://www.amazon.ca/Who-Lost-Russia-World-Entered/dp/1786070413
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It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
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It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
I was only joking
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
Education is extremely important.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
My sources tell me otherwise.
Be seeing you.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
People should just come out and say what they mean. When people skirt around an issue and drop hints and all the rest of it, I'm left wondering if they're just covering their ass for later so they can say "I never said that!". This is TNCR, nobody important gives a shit what any of us say, after all.
The education I provide here is not for my contemporaries. The internet is forever, and I think my teachings will take hold in 50 or 60 generations, when our cultural ideas are sufficiently sophisticated to accept them.
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@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
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@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Doctor-Phibes said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Horace said in The Ukraine war thread:
It appears difficult to discuss how the American media covers a story and its motivations for doing so, without being accused of thinking the subject of the story is America. That interpretation of the discussion is a simple misunderstanding, but one from which people for some reason refuse to dislodge.
Well, if Jolly would make clear what he's actually trying to say, rather than just drop hints about some kind of conspiracy or 'deeper truths', it would be a lot easier to discuss this in a straightforward manner.
As far as I can tell, the motivation behind this war is very easy to understand. There's no need for talk of conspiracies or hidden forces at work.
People enjoy being enigmatic. Jon was artfully enigmatic in his post above, which I asked clarification of. But you don’t see me complaining about it.
How was he enigmatic? We all know what he meant.
Maybe the whole world shares in this feeling that there’s a sharp line between boots on the ground and economic support for other boots on the ground, but considering the fact that that feeling is completely irrational, I wouldn’t count on it being held by everybody forever.
