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    jon-nyc
    wrote on 9 Dec 2023, 17:26 last edited by
    #1990

    "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
    -Cormac McCarthy

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      George K
      wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 14:14 last edited by
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      Will this make snipers an obsolete specialty?

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Mik
        wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 14:50 last edited by
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        Death from above. That was some unit's motto.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          10 Dec 2023, 14:50

          Death from above. That was some unit's motto.

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          George K
          wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 14:54 last edited by
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          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Death from above. That was some unit's motto.

          "World War II. 502nd Parachute Infantry Regiment. 101 Airborne Div in 1942. I have also seen it attributed to the 82nd and their is currently an Air Force Bomber unit that uses it in Latin."

          I saw another story showing how the Russians are protecting their trenches (trenches!) with overhead metal caging to make it difficult for FPV drones to attack there.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            Mik
            wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 15:15 last edited by
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            Trench warfare. Wow.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              Mik
              wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 15:43 last edited by
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              Apparently the NORK shells are substandard. Awww....

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russians-express-disappointment-over-north-korean-ammunition-quality/ar-AA1lgjmE?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=3f775c509cde4f2cbe2fccc1b438ae39&ei=12

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                10 Dec 2023, 15:15

                Trench warfare. Wow.

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                George K
                wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 15:47 last edited by George K 12 Oct 2023, 15:48
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                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Trench warfare. Wow.

                That's been going on for a while.

                https://www.bbc.com/news/live/world-europe-61701807

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  bachophile
                  wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 18:54 last edited by
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                  There is a war in Ukraine?? Since when ?

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                    10 Dec 2023, 18:54

                    There is a war in Ukraine?? Since when ?

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                    Rainman
                    wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 21:48 last edited by
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                    @bachophile said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    There is a war in Ukraine?? Since when ?

                    Good to hear from you bachophile!

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                      10 Dec 2023, 18:54

                      There is a war in Ukraine?? Since when ?

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 10 Dec 2023, 22:21 last edited by
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                      @bachophile said in The Ukraine war thread:

                      There is a war in Ukraine?? Since when ?

                      Still getting a lot of wounded?

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        George K
                        wrote on 13 Dec 2023, 20:10 last edited by
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 14 Dec 2023, 23:49 last edited by
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                          The thread:

                          https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1735366664764702978.html

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 15 Dec 2023, 00:21 last edited by
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                            Spot on.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              15 Dec 2023, 00:21

                              Spot on.

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                              George K
                              wrote on 15 Dec 2023, 00:23 last edited by George K
                              #2003

                              @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              Spot on.

                              ISW has a cold, hard, analysis - always.

                              Putin's playing the long game. The US, as usual, is not.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                15 Dec 2023, 00:23

                                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Spot on.

                                ISW has a cold, hard, analysis - always.

                                Putin's playing the long game. The US, as usual, is not.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 15 Dec 2023, 01:14 last edited by Renauda
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                                @George-K

                                Putin's playing the long game. The US, as usual, is not.

                                Seems to be a missed point by many, especially since 2000. I’ll say it just once, the Russian concept of time is more akin to that of the North American Indian notion of time than a Western. Some will argue neither have any concept of time. It’s been explained many times and not just starting with G. F. Kennan. The only American Sect’y of State who really understood that was George P. Schultz.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  taiwan_girl
                                  wrote on 15 Dec 2023, 14:57 last edited by
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                                  @George-K @Mik @Renauda Agree. "Appeasment" will not work.

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                                    taiwan_girl
                                    wrote on 16 Dec 2023, 03:28 last edited by
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                                    https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine

                                    Interesting analysis article.

                                    The United States has a much higher stake in Russia's war on Ukraine than most people think. A Russian conquest of all of Ukraine is by no means impossible if the United States cuts off all military assistance and Europe follows suit. Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean.

                                    To deter and defend against a renewed Russian threat following a full Russian victory in Ukraine the United States will have to deploy to Eastern Europe a sizable portion of its ground forces. The United States will have to station in Europe a large number of stealth aircraft. Building and maintaining those aircraft is intrinsically expensive, but challenges in manufacturing them rapidly will likely force the United States to make a terrible choice between keeping enough in Asia to defend Taiwan and its other Asian allies and deterring or defeating a Russian attack on a NATO ally.

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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on 17 Dec 2023, 16:01 last edited by
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                                      Would 't be his first lie ...

                                      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-bidens-remark-about-russian-plan-attack-nato-is-complete-rubbish-2023-12-17/

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 17 Dec 2023, 16:13 last edited by
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                                        I saw that earlier. "I have no plans to invade Ukraine," for some reason rings in my memory.

                                        I mean, there are liars and there are LIARS.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Jolly
                                          wrote on 18 Dec 2023, 12:55 last edited by
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                                          $300B...

                                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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