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  • George KG Offline
    George KG Offline
    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #2000

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #2001

      The thread:

      https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1735366664764702978.html

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • MikM Away
        MikM Away
        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #2002

        Spot on.

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Spot on.

          George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by George K
          #2003

          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Spot on.

          ISW has a cold, hard, analysis - always.

          Putin's playing the long game. The US, as usual, is not.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

            Spot on.

            ISW has a cold, hard, analysis - always.

            Putin's playing the long game. The US, as usual, is not.

            RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #2004

            @George-K

            Putin's playing the long game. The US, as usual, is not.

            Seems to be a missed point by many, especially since 2000. I’ll say it just once, the Russian concept of time is more akin to that of the North American Indian notion of time than a Western. Some will argue neither have any concept of time. It’s been explained many times and not just starting with G. F. Kennan. The only American Sect’y of State who really understood that was George P. Schultz.

            Elbows up!

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            • taiwan_girlT Offline
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              taiwan_girl
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              #2005

              @George-K @Mik @Renauda Agree. "Appeasment" will not work.

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              • taiwan_girlT Offline
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                taiwan_girl
                wrote on last edited by
                #2006

                https://www.understandingwar.org/backgrounder/high-price-losing-ukraine

                Interesting analysis article.

                The United States has a much higher stake in Russia's war on Ukraine than most people think. A Russian conquest of all of Ukraine is by no means impossible if the United States cuts off all military assistance and Europe follows suit. Such an outcome would bring a battered but triumphant Russian army right up to NATO’s border from the Black Sea to the Arctic Ocean.

                To deter and defend against a renewed Russian threat following a full Russian victory in Ukraine the United States will have to deploy to Eastern Europe a sizable portion of its ground forces. The United States will have to station in Europe a large number of stealth aircraft. Building and maintaining those aircraft is intrinsically expensive, but challenges in manufacturing them rapidly will likely force the United States to make a terrible choice between keeping enough in Asia to defend Taiwan and its other Asian allies and deterring or defeating a Russian attack on a NATO ally.

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                • W Offline
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                  Wim
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #2007

                  Would 't be his first lie ...

                  https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/putin-says-bidens-remark-about-russian-plan-attack-nato-is-complete-rubbish-2023-12-17/

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #2008

                    I saw that earlier. "I have no plans to invade Ukraine," for some reason rings in my memory.

                    I mean, there are liars and there are LIARS.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #2009

                      $300B...

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by George K
                        #2010

                        Russian submarine fleet has grown.

                        image.jpeg

                        From Wiki:

                        In March 2022, roughly a month into Russia's invasion of Ukraine, Novocherkassk was docked in the port of Berdiansk in southern Ukraine with several other Russian warships. Ukrainian shelling on 25 March damaged several Russian ships there, sinking Saratov and damaging Novocherkassk.[6][7] By June 2022, Russian state media outlet TASS claimed that Novocherkassk was one of twelve landing ships in the Black Sea that could launch an amphibious operation on Ukraine. However, Novocherkassk was not confirmed to be repaired and its status remained unknown.[8]

                        On 24 August 2022 it was reported Novocherkassk and sister ship Caesar Kunikov were out of action due to lack of spare parts to repair the ships. The lack of spare parts was attributed to the sanctions imposed on Russia.[9]

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • George KG Offline
                          George KG Offline
                          George K
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #2011

                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by Jolly
                            #2012

                            Russia is starting on the offensive. Maybe just nibbling, but offense generates more casualties than defense. Usually.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #2013

                              More defenestration:

                              A Putin ALLY....

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • MikM Away
                                MikM Away
                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #2014

                                With friends like these….

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
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                                  #2015

                                  Provocation in Polish airspace:

                                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67839340

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    Provocation in Polish airspace:

                                    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67839340

                                    George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #2016

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    Provocation in Polish airspace:

                                    This isn't the first time Russian hardware entered Poland, it is?

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • RenaudaR Offline
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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #2017

                                      I think it may be. I believe the previous incursion was a Ukrainian air defence missile that went astray. There have however been a couple of Russian missiles that struck Romanian territory.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                      • RenaudaR Renauda

                                        I think it may be. I believe the previous incursion was a Ukrainian air defence missile that went astray. There have however been a couple of Russian missiles that struck Romanian territory.

                                        George KG Offline
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                                        George K
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #2018

                                        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                        I believe the previous incursion was a Ukrainian air defence missile that went astray.

                                        Ah, that was it. Russia was blamed, but...

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        • George KG Offline
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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by George K
                                          #2019

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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