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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1964

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1965

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #1966

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1967

          Looks warmish.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
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            #1968

            T. E. Lawrence smiled:

            https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24856

            Elbows up!

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            • RenaudaR Renauda

              T. E. Lawrence smiled:

              https://www.kyivpost.com/post/24856

              George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1969

              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              T. E. Lawrence smiled:

              LOL

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #1970

                Speaking of Lawrence, here’s Lawrence Freedman’s most recent Situation Report on the war in Ukraine:

                https://samf.substack.com/p/what-should-ukraine-do-next?utm_medium=web

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by Mik
                  #1971

                  Good article, if not cheery. I think the major point is decisive victory is unlikely for either nation, but Russia's economy is so much smaller than the West's. The question is Ukrainian manpower. Weapons are important but you have to preserve the people to operate them.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Good article, if not cheery. I think the major point is decisive victory is unlikely for either nation, but Russia's economy is so much smaller than the West's. The question is Ukrainian manpower. Weapons are important but you have to preserve the people to operate them.

                    George KG Offline
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                    George K
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                    #1972

                    @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                    The question is Ukrainian manpower

                    Indeed. I've seen reports that Russia has sustained >300K casualties. Considering the size of their military, that's not crippling (except, perhaps, in public opinion).

                    Ukraine can't bear that kind of loss, and Russia will continue to throw troops into the grinder.

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Mik

                      Good article, if not cheery. I think the major point is decisive victory is unlikely for either nation, but Russia's economy is so much smaller than the West's. The question is Ukrainian manpower. Weapons are important but you have to preserve the people to operate them.

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1973

                      @Mik

                      This morning in a Zoom scrum between friends and former colleagues, we parsed through Freedman’s report. One of our number with considerably more experience in these matters than I, expressed his concern that he senses a growing risk of fraying in team Kyiv as to what and how to adjust strategy while at the same time maintaining the necessary messaging to manage expectations on multiple fronts and levels.

                      I suspect his concern is well founded.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1974

                        It's a lot to maintain that fighting spirit as the Russian onslaught, incompetent though it may be, continues to wear them down.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          Mik
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                          #1975

                          Speaking of Russian competence...

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russian-troops-are-being-blown-up-by-their-own-minefields-because-their-leaders-won-t-say-where-they-are-ukraine-says/ar-AA1kMvEt?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=d3301936c16f4c89be763761bf1b15fa&ei=115

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • George KG Offline
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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1976

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • RenaudaR Offline
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                              Renauda
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1977

                              Yesterday T. E. Lawrence just smiled, today it’s sardonic laughter:

                              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67593041

                              Elbows up!

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                              • MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1978

                                Smart. Ukraine cannot kill enough Russians to stop the war, but an ill-equipped army can't accomplish much of anything except get itself killed.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #1979

                                  More meat for the grinder….

                                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-67592803

                                  And somehow NATO is to blame.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • George KG Offline
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                                    George K
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1980

                                    https://www.statista.com/statistics/1334454/russian-armed-forces-personnel/

                                    Screenshot 2023-12-01 at 5.13.37 PM.png

                                    Even if the Ukrainian claim of 300K casualties is inflated by a factor of two, it's still a big hit.

                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    • W Offline
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                                      Wim
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1981

                                      A diplomatic failure for Russia:

                                      https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/02/ukraine-outmaneuvers-russia-at-osce-in-chemical-weapons-maritime-agencies/

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1982

                                        It would appear Russia does not fear isolation.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • W Wim

                                          A diplomatic failure for Russia:

                                          https://euromaidanpress.com/2023/12/02/ukraine-outmaneuvers-russia-at-osce-in-chemical-weapons-maritime-agencies/

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1983

                                          @Wim
                                          The losses are significant from the Kremlin’s point of view in that it surely feels it has a right to entitlement to have a voting representative on both agencies’ governing bodies.

                                          Big diplomatic win for Ukraine, EU and NATO.

                                          Elbows up!

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