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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #173

    Interesting thread.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #174

      The oligarchs are going for redemption. Also to get out of the sanctions.

      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-says-russian-oligarch-roman-abramovich-has-been-trying-to-help-ukraine-during-russia-s-invasion/ar-AAVzH1F?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e35b85ed0edd4af18c3710f79a734d39

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        @Doctor-Phibes

        Unless someone sends me a specific link I avoid US media sources. Like you, I too follow the BBC reports as well several European sources in English. Our own CBC is not too bad although it is more or less BBC lite. For print media the National Post and Globe and Mail from time to time also provide some fairly decent analysis depending on the topic.

        There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.

        Catseye3C Offline
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        Catseye3
        wrote on last edited by
        #175

        @Renauda There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
        ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

        https://thebestschools.org/magazine/most-influential-think-tanks/

        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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        • Catseye3C Offline
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          Catseye3
          wrote on last edited by
          #176

          Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

          Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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          • Catseye3C Catseye3

            Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

            Doctor PhibesD Online
            Doctor PhibesD Online
            Doctor Phibes
            wrote on last edited by
            #177

            @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

            Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

            He has an opinion about everything, so yes. He's been wearing the Ukrainian flag for the last month.

            He's very anti-Putin, and says that he's essentially a gangster that has taken over the country.

            FWIW, he doesn't think that it's likely that Putin will get stabbed in the back by his own people as he's completely surrounded himself with yes-men.

            I was only joking

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            • jon-nycJ Online
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              jon-nyc
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              #178

              You were warned.

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #179

                @jon-nyc what the actual hell?

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • RenaudaR Offline
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                  Renauda
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #180

                  The stories get more Byzantine as time passes.

                  Elbows up!

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by George K
                    #181

                    Well...

                    https://www.ft.com/content/7f14efe8-2f4c-47a2-aa6b-9a755a39b626

                    Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains militarily non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.

                    Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.

                    The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.

                    Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.

                    But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.

                    "Security guarantees."

                    LOLGF

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                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • MikM Offline
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                      Mik
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #182

                      As I recall they gave similar security guarantees so Ukraine would give up the nukes. It’s great if it stops hostilities but Russia has no intention to honor any such agreement.

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                      • George KG Offline
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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #183

                        Updated numbers as of today:

                        Amazing: The Russians are losing 7 tanks a day since the 16th. About 10/day since the invasion. Of the lost tanks, about half were captured (139) or abandoned (42).

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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        • LuFins DadL Offline
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                          LuFins Dad
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #184

                          Anybody else have a small little nugget of doubt about this Russian withdrawal from Kyiv? A thought that maybe they aren’t withdrawing so much as getting out of the way?

                          The Brad

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                          • MikM Offline
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                            Mik
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #185

                            I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.

                            I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".

                            The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            • MikM Mik

                              I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.

                              I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".

                              The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by George K
                              #186

                              @Mik

                              Samuel Ramani tweets:

                              (good source for news - https://twitter.com/samramani2)

                              Zelensky gets it right:

                              “Yes, we can call positive the signals we hear from the negotiating platform. But these signals do not silence the explosion of Russian shells.”

                              Russia’s “withdrawal” from Kyiv is looking a lot like Anwar Sadat’s expulsion of Soviet advisors in 1972. An old school Kremlin feint.

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • George KG Offline
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                                George K
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #187

                                https://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-appears-begun-shelling-russian-005724169.html

                                The Ukrainian military has begun to take the fight to Russian territory, a new development in what has been a primarily defensive war for the country.

                                Russian authorities were forced to place two villages under emergency orders and evacuate some citizens due to Ukrainian shelling in the area, according to reports from multiple Russian media outlets.

                                RIA Novosti, a Russian government-controlled publication, reported Tuesday that an explosion near the village of Zhuravlyovka injured four people. The outlet reported that the source of the explosion was an attack that originated from within Ukraine.

                                Interfax, another Kremlin-friendly publication, reported that Zhuravlyovka and the nearby town of Niekhoteyevka were placed under emergency orders, and roughly 180 people were evacuated to the city of Belgorod as the result of an explosion at an ammunition depot.

                                Interfax did not pin blame for the explosion on Ukraine, but it did note that authorities believe it was not an accident.

                                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                • George KG Offline
                                  George KG Offline
                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by George K
                                  #188

                                  War crime?

                                  https://www.foxnews.com/world/red-cross-shelled-mariupol

                                  Screen Shot 2022-03-30 at 4.04.37 PM copy.jpg

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
                                    MikM Offline
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #189

                                    Bastards.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • George KG Offline
                                      George KG Offline
                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #190

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #191

                                        Lol, took me a minute…

                                        The Brad

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                                        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                                          Lol, took me a minute…

                                          George KG Offline
                                          George KG Offline
                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #192

                                          @LuFins-Dad said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                          Lol, took me a minute…

                                          It's like those "Amtrak train plows into SUV" headlines.

                                          (didn't mention Waukesha, didja notice?)

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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