The Ukraine war thread
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That ship that was blown up?
It appears on Russian TV "News" two days earlier:
Link to videoBest comment: "This ship is so sophisticated. Allegedly it can also become a submarine."
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"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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“Little by little I am learning the art of being quite content by doing very little slowly” ~ Lionel Hardcastle
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@Renauda I saw a story (I think it was on Forbes) that the Ukrainians have more, yes MORE, tanks now than they did at the beginning of the "special mission." Despite their losses, they have captured more abandoned tanks than they have lost. I think Forbes said they are up 49 tanks overall.
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The oligarchs are going for redemption. Also to get out of the sanctions.
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@Renauda There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^https://thebestschools.org/magazine/most-influential-think-tanks/
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Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka
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@Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:
Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?
He has an opinion about everything, so yes. He's been wearing the Ukrainian flag for the last month.
He's very anti-Putin, and says that he's essentially a gangster that has taken over the country.
FWIW, he doesn't think that it's likely that Putin will get stabbed in the back by his own people as he's completely surrounded himself with yes-men.
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DON’T let them eat cake.
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Well...
https://www.ft.com/content/7f14efe8-2f4c-47a2-aa6b-9a755a39b626
Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains militarily non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.
Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.
The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.
Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.
But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.
"Security guarantees."
LOLGF
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Anybody else have a small little nugget of doubt about this Russian withdrawal from Kyiv? A thought that maybe they aren’t withdrawing so much as getting out of the way?
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I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.
I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".
The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".
"My pronouns are FA/FO." - Mik, 2024
