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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #166

    That ship that was blown up?

    It appears on Russian TV "News" two days earlier:

    Link to video

    Best comment: "This ship is so sophisticated. Allegedly it can also become a submarine."

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #167

      It's well on its way to doing so.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • George KG Offline
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        George K
        wrote on last edited by
        #168

        Updated with some new calculations - on the far right is a column showing the relative losses of Ukrainian vs Russian equipment.

        Also losses per day since March 16.

        Screen Shot 2022-03-25 at 9.47.51 AM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • George KG Offline
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          George K
          wrote on last edited by
          #169

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG Offline
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            George K
            wrote on last edited by George K
            #170

            "Those really are survivability ratios at par with World War II, before the advent of modern medicine."

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • George KG George K

              "Those really are survivability ratios at par with World War II, before the advent of modern medicine."

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by Renauda
              #171

              @George-K

              Multiply both those number by 4 and you’ll have a fairly accurate number. Approaching the same numbers the Pentagon and Brits are estimating.

              Elbows up!

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              • RenaudaR Renauda

                @George-K

                Multiply both those number by 4 and you’ll have a fairly accurate number. Approaching the same numbers the Pentagon and Brits are estimating.

                George KG Offline
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                George K
                wrote on last edited by
                #172

                @Renauda I saw a story (I think it was on Forbes) that the Ukrainians have more, yes MORE, tanks now than they did at the beginning of the "special mission." Despite their losses, they have captured more abandoned tanks than they have lost. I think Forbes said they are up 49 tanks overall.

                "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #173

                  Interesting thread.

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #174

                    The oligarchs are going for redemption. Also to get out of the sanctions.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelenskyy-says-russian-oligarch-roman-abramovich-has-been-trying-to-help-ukraine-during-russia-s-invasion/ar-AAVzH1F?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=e35b85ed0edd4af18c3710f79a734d39

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                      @Doctor-Phibes

                      Unless someone sends me a specific link I avoid US media sources. Like you, I too follow the BBC reports as well several European sources in English. Our own CBC is not too bad although it is more or less BBC lite. For print media the National Post and Globe and Mail from time to time also provide some fairly decent analysis depending on the topic.

                      There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.

                      Catseye3C Offline
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                      Catseye3
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #175

                      @Renauda There are however some excellent US sources but they are not part of the slick media outlets. Rather they are found with various think tanks and specialised research institutes and schools that operate out of the country’s universities.
                      ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^ ^

                      https://thebestschools.org/magazine/most-influential-think-tanks/

                      Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                      • Catseye3C Offline
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                        Catseye3
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #176

                        Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

                        Success is measured by your discipline and inner peace. – Mike Ditka

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                        • Catseye3C Catseye3

                          Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

                          Doctor PhibesD Offline
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                          Doctor Phibes
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #177

                          @Catseye3 said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Phibes, does your Russian friend have an opinion about all this?

                          He has an opinion about everything, so yes. He's been wearing the Ukrainian flag for the last month.

                          He's very anti-Putin, and says that he's essentially a gangster that has taken over the country.

                          FWIW, he doesn't think that it's likely that Putin will get stabbed in the back by his own people as he's completely surrounded himself with yes-men.

                          I was only joking

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                          • jon-nycJ Offline
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                            jon-nyc
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #178

                            Only non-witches get due process.

                            • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                            • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #179

                              @jon-nyc what the actual hell?

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #180

                                The stories get more Byzantine as time passes.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • George KG Offline
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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by George K
                                  #181

                                  Well...

                                  https://www.ft.com/content/7f14efe8-2f4c-47a2-aa6b-9a755a39b626

                                  Russia is no longer requesting Ukraine be “denazified” and is prepared to let Kyiv join the EU if it remains militarily non-aligned as part of ongoing ceasefire negotiations, according to four people briefed on the discussions.

                                  Moscow and Kyiv are discussing a pause in hostilities as part of a possible deal that would involve Ukraine abandoning its drive for Nato membership in exchange for security guarantees and the prospect to join the EU, the people said under the condition of anonymity because the matter is not yet finalised.

                                  The draft ceasefire document does not contain any discussion of three of Russia’s initial core demands — “denazification”, “demilitarisation”, and legal protection for the Russian language in Ukraine — the people added.

                                  Envoys from both sides are to meet in Istanbul on Tuesday in a fourth round of peace talks designed to end president Vladimir Putin’s full-scale invasion of Ukraine. The concessions on Russia’s side come as its month-long ground offensive has largely stalled as a result of fiercer Ukrainian resistance than expected and Russian operational deficiencies.

                                  But Ukraine and its western backers remain sceptical of Putin’s intentions, worrying that the Russian president could be using the talks as a smokescreen to replenish his exhausted forces and plan a fresh offensive.

                                  "Security guarantees."

                                  LOLGF

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                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #182

                                    As I recall they gave similar security guarantees so Ukraine would give up the nukes. It’s great if it stops hostilities but Russia has no intention to honor any such agreement.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #183

                                      Updated numbers as of today:

                                      Amazing: The Russians are losing 7 tanks a day since the 16th. About 10/day since the invasion. Of the lost tanks, about half were captured (139) or abandoned (42).

                                      Screen Shot 2022-03-29 at 10.08.10 AM.png

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • LuFins DadL Offline
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                                        LuFins Dad
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #184

                                        Anybody else have a small little nugget of doubt about this Russian withdrawal from Kyiv? A thought that maybe they aren’t withdrawing so much as getting out of the way?

                                        The Brad

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #185

                                          I cast doubt on everything they say they are doing.

                                          I have said many times here, there are two types of people. The first type tells you it's raining and you think , "oh, it's raining".

                                          The other type tells you the same thing and you think "now why would they want it to be raining?".

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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