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    George K
    wrote on 9 Jun 2023, 18:34 last edited by
    #1727

    Drone crashes into residential building in Russia’s Voronezh

    Photos of the residential complex allegedly damaged during the attack appeared on Telegram. Preliminary information suggests the drone may have been flying towards the Baltimor airfield but collided with a window of a residential building, reported pro-Russian channel Baza

    Russia was quick to blame Ukraine, with Dmitry Peskov, the spokesperson for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, making the accusation, Russian propagandist media reported.

    "The Kyiv regime continues to attack civilian infrastructure and residential buildings. The activities of the Kyiv regime persist, and we continue to fight against it," Peskov lied.

    The balls...

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      George K
      wrote on 10 Jun 2023, 01:06 last edited by George K 6 Oct 2023, 01:07
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      https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/06/09/british-made-tanks-about-to-sweep-putins-conscripts-aside/

      As a former tank commander, I can say one thing for certain: Putin’s demoralised conscripts are utterly unprepared for the shock action now hitting their lines. Ukrainian armoured formations are beginning to meet Russian forces in battle, and they are going to pulverise Russia’s defensive lines. I am confident for one simple reason: Ukraine will follow the Western ideology of manoeuvre warfare in a combined arms context, while the Russians will follow Soviet doctrine, relying on attrition and numbers. The Russians will find that the armour of Western tanks is far more resilient than flesh and bone, they will die in great numbers, and they will lose.

      The core idea of manoeuvre warfare is mission command. Commanders at all levels understand the top-level end state, and are given the flexibility to conduct the battle as they see fit to achieve victory. The Ukrainians are well-versed in this style of warfare, which allows them to be agile and adapt their plan to the situation on the battlefield as it unfolds and changes. The Russians do not follow this doctrine. They are given strict roles in the execution of plans drawn up at the top, and cannot change them even when things are going badly wrong. This has been made evident time and time again in Ukraine, where Moscow’s tanks have all too often been blown to pieces without firing a round.

      Getting this form of warfare right takes intelligence and training. You need the right equipment, and effective doctrine. The Ukrainians have this. I estimate that their tank brigades have had around eight weeks to perfect combined arms warfare, around the same time I would have allocated to train the Royal Tank Regiment under my command to be an effective combined arms fighting force. And they certainly have the right equipment. The Challenger and Leopard tanks leading the spearhead vastly outmatch what’s left of Russia’s heavy armour, while sophisticated precision artillery is providing withering fire for the advance.

      Conversely, Russian recruits appear to be given a few days of training, a little ammunition and are then thrown into the meat-grinder with a life expectancy surely measured in days. They might as well be gunning them down on the training fields; it would be faster, cheaper and about as combat effective.

      There will certainly be no rescue from the air. The Russian air force should be a massive operational threat, but it seems that its pilots have opted to hide in the confines of the officers’ mess rather than face the excellent Ukrainian air defences. Sometimes, cowardice is the most sensible option.

      The final and perhaps the most important element of an effective armoured fighting force is morale. The Ukrainians have this in spades. The Russian conscripts have virtually none. From personal experience, having fought a number of battles, I know you need to really want to get out of the trench to fight the enemy. It’s certainly not an easy or natural act.

      With Ukrainian canniness, Western intelligence and equipment and a smattering of good fortune, I expect what’s left of the Russian army to be nothing more than a speed bump on the way to liberating Crimea, pushing to the Russian border and chucking Putin’s war criminals out of Ukraine once and for all.

      Much like Adolf Hitler at the end of his war, Putin appears to be holed up in his bunker, being fed lies, making the wrong decisions while the sharks circle. What’s unfolding in Ukraine now could go down in history as one of the great tank actions, alongside Cambrai, Kursk and the Arras counterattack. It will certainly go down as the end of Moscow’s illegal invasion – and perhaps the beginning of the end of Putin

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Jolly
        wrote on 10 Jun 2023, 01:30 last edited by
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        Don't think the Ukrainians have enough armor or experience to do full combined arms maneuver warfare. I also think the Russians are using cannon fodder on the front, holding their better troops for the counter punch.

        That would be classic WW2 Soviet doctrine...

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          George K
          wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 14:10 last edited by
          #1730

          "Nailed it!"

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • G George K
            9 Jun 2023, 18:34

            Drone crashes into residential building in Russia’s Voronezh

            Photos of the residential complex allegedly damaged during the attack appeared on Telegram. Preliminary information suggests the drone may have been flying towards the Baltimor airfield but collided with a window of a residential building, reported pro-Russian channel Baza

            Russia was quick to blame Ukraine, with Dmitry Peskov, the spokesperson for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, making the accusation, Russian propagandist media reported.

            "The Kyiv regime continues to attack civilian infrastructure and residential buildings. The activities of the Kyiv regime persist, and we continue to fight against it," Peskov lied.

            The balls...

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            George K
            wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 14:19 last edited by George K 6 Nov 2023, 14:19
            #1731

            @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

            The balls...

            Screenshot 2023-06-11 at 9.13.06 AM.png

            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            • J Jolly
              10 Jun 2023, 01:30

              Don't think the Ukrainians have enough armor or experience to do full combined arms maneuver warfare. I also think the Russians are using cannon fodder on the front, holding their better troops for the counter punch.

              That would be classic WW2 Soviet doctrine...

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              Renauda
              wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 15:11 last edited by
              #1732

              @Jolly

              I also think the Russians are using cannon fodder on the front, holding their better troops for the counter punch.

              I agree that they are using cannon fodder on the front. But I do not agree they are holding better troops back for the counter punch.

              There is a malaise among the ranks and junior officers that is growing deeper by the day. I believe they realize that the special military operation has never had anything to do with protecting the Motherland.

              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65871232

              Elbows up!

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                Mik
                wrote on 11 Jun 2023, 15:39 last edited by
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                I agree. I don't think they have any better troops, or at least not enough to make a difference.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 12 Jun 2023, 12:30 last edited by
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                  Is our Russians learning?

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-s-improved-weaponry-and-tactics-pose-challenges-to-ukraine-s-counteroffensive/ar-AA1cqEWC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2ae213a2f6654f8583398c763477c30b&ei=60

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 12 Jun 2023, 14:59 last edited by
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                    Interesting psycho-philosophical commentary on the Russian mindset of destruction:

                    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/11/ecocide-russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-destroyed

                    Elbows up!

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                      Mik
                      wrote on 12 Jun 2023, 21:46 last edited by
                      #1736

                      Very interesting.

                      This is not psychological, but it rings true

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-other-battle-in-ukraine-no-one-s-talking-about/ar-AA1cj9WM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=44d4371ef086401d98ce2a585ffe4df7&ei=8

                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        Jolly
                        wrote on 13 Jun 2023, 15:41 last edited by
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                        Patton goes to Ukraine...

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/m60-the-tank-america-built-to-beat-russia-if-world-war-iii-broke-out/ar-AA18D8MC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=W129&cvid=6ebe53e39f7241828d58bd811d800b27&ei=12

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          Wim
                          wrote on 14 Jun 2023, 13:15 last edited by
                          #1738

                          Heartbreaking...

                          https://www.politico.eu/article/chechen-leader-missing-brother-ukrainian-strike/

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                          • W Wim
                            14 Jun 2023, 13:15

                            Heartbreaking...

                            https://www.politico.eu/article/chechen-leader-missing-brother-ukrainian-strike/

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                            George K
                            wrote on 14 Jun 2023, 13:21 last edited by
                            #1739

                            @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                            Heartbreaking...

                            https://www.politico.eu/article/chechen-leader-missing-brother-ukrainian-strike/

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                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              Mik
                              wrote on 14 Jun 2023, 13:29 last edited by Mik
                              #1740

                              alt text

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on 14 Jun 2023, 15:45 last edited by Renauda
                                #1741

                                Apparently, regrettably and, sadly, the “Chechen hero” is doing just fine:

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/14/close-kadyrov-ally-injured-in-ukraine-reports-a81502

                                Elbows up!

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                                  Jolly
                                  wrote on 14 Jun 2023, 20:13 last edited by
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                                  Well, there's always next time.

                                  “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                                  Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                                    Wim
                                    wrote on 16 Jun 2023, 16:18 last edited by
                                    #1743

                                    Russian masterminds...

                                    https://www.kyivpost.com/post/18292

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 16 Jun 2023, 17:07 last edited by
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                                      Russian officials do love to make occasion for solemn speeches.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 16 Jun 2023, 17:25 last edited by
                                        #1745

                                        This one got solemn in a hurry.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on 18 Jun 2023, 11:34 last edited by
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                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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