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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #1729

    Don't think the Ukrainians have enough armor or experience to do full combined arms maneuver warfare. I also think the Russians are using cannon fodder on the front, holding their better troops for the counter punch.

    That would be classic WW2 Soviet doctrine...

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • George KG Offline
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      George K
      wrote on last edited by
      #1730

      "Nailed it!"

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        Drone crashes into residential building in Russia’s Voronezh

        Photos of the residential complex allegedly damaged during the attack appeared on Telegram. Preliminary information suggests the drone may have been flying towards the Baltimor airfield but collided with a window of a residential building, reported pro-Russian channel Baza

        Russia was quick to blame Ukraine, with Dmitry Peskov, the spokesperson for Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, making the accusation, Russian propagandist media reported.

        "The Kyiv regime continues to attack civilian infrastructure and residential buildings. The activities of the Kyiv regime persist, and we continue to fight against it," Peskov lied.

        The balls...

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        George K
        wrote on last edited by George K
        #1731

        @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

        The balls...

        Screenshot 2023-06-11 at 9.13.06 AM.png

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • JollyJ Jolly

          Don't think the Ukrainians have enough armor or experience to do full combined arms maneuver warfare. I also think the Russians are using cannon fodder on the front, holding their better troops for the counter punch.

          That would be classic WW2 Soviet doctrine...

          RenaudaR Offline
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          Renauda
          wrote on last edited by
          #1732

          @Jolly

          I also think the Russians are using cannon fodder on the front, holding their better troops for the counter punch.

          I agree that they are using cannon fodder on the front. But I do not agree they are holding better troops back for the counter punch.

          There is a malaise among the ranks and junior officers that is growing deeper by the day. I believe they realize that the special military operation has never had anything to do with protecting the Motherland.

          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-65871232

          Elbows up!

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          • MikM Offline
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            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #1733

            I agree. I don't think they have any better troops, or at least not enough to make a difference.

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
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              #1734

              Is our Russians learning?

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-s-improved-weaponry-and-tactics-pose-challenges-to-ukraine-s-counteroffensive/ar-AA1cqEWC?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=2ae213a2f6654f8583398c763477c30b&ei=60

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
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                #1735

                Interesting psycho-philosophical commentary on the Russian mindset of destruction:

                https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2023/jun/11/ecocide-russia-ukraine-war-kakhovka-dam-destroyed

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1736

                  Very interesting.

                  This is not psychological, but it rings true

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/the-other-battle-in-ukraine-no-one-s-talking-about/ar-AA1cj9WM?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=44d4371ef086401d98ce2a585ffe4df7&ei=8

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1737

                    Patton goes to Ukraine...

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/m60-the-tank-america-built-to-beat-russia-if-world-war-iii-broke-out/ar-AA18D8MC?ocid=msedgdhp&pc=W129&cvid=6ebe53e39f7241828d58bd811d800b27&ei=12

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • W Offline
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                      Wim
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1738

                      Heartbreaking...

                      https://www.politico.eu/article/chechen-leader-missing-brother-ukrainian-strike/

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                      • W Wim

                        Heartbreaking...

                        https://www.politico.eu/article/chechen-leader-missing-brother-ukrainian-strike/

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                        George K
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1739

                        @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

                        Heartbreaking...

                        https://www.politico.eu/article/chechen-leader-missing-brother-ukrainian-strike/

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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by Mik
                          #1740

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                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            Renauda
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                            #1741

                            Apparently, regrettably and, sadly, the “Chechen hero” is doing just fine:

                            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/06/14/close-kadyrov-ally-injured-in-ukraine-reports-a81502

                            Elbows up!

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                            • JollyJ Offline
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                              Jolly
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1742

                              Well, there's always next time.

                              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                              • W Offline
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                                Wim
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1743

                                Russian masterminds...

                                https://www.kyivpost.com/post/18292

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1744

                                  Russian officials do love to make occasion for solemn speeches.

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1745

                                    This one got solemn in a hurry.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • George KG Offline
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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1746

                                      Thread

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1747

                                        Wow. What if I told you the invasion failed due to kleptocracy. Talk about hoisted on your own petard.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          George K
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1748

                                          Maybe this guy is just blowing smoke, but an interesting speculation.

                                          The expert (Yuriy Romaniuk, the head of the “Ukraine in NATO” non-government organization) stressed that Prigozhin is accountable to no one except Russian dictator Vladimir Putin, who wields direct influence over him. Romaniuk stated that over the past six months, the Wagner PMC leader has already begun forging an independent political career.

                                          “(Prigozhin) understands that he has some knowledge of the days and hours (remaining for) Putin’s reign, and he has no doubts about the outcome. He realizes that in the new Russia, commonly referred to as the post-war era, he will have to find a way to survive. Just like he managed to survive in the prison zone, along with his Wagner group and tens of thousands of other inmates.”
                                          Furthermore, the expert stated that, contrary to Prigozhin’s rhetoric, his current focus may depend on the victory of the Ukrainian Armed Forces over Russia.

                                          “Because only in the complete collapse and failure of the Russian Federation and Ukraine’s victory does Prigozhin have the sole opportunity amidst this chaos to seize power, akin to the Bolsheviks’ actions in October 1917,” Romaniuk said.

                                          Romaniuk also asserted that Prigozhin enjoys “more than 30% of electoral support in Russia,” according to UK intelligence estimates.

                                          The conflict between Prigozhin, owner of the Wagner PMC, and the Russian Ministry of Defense could reach a critical stage on July 1, 2023, according to UK intelligence. This date marks the deadline for mercenaries to sign contracts with the ministry.

                                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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