The Ukraine war thread
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.
I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.
If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.
I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.
If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?
That's a really good question ad one where I think there are good people on both sides of the issue.
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.
I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.
If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?
That's a really good question ad one where I think there are good people on both sides of the issue.
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
I think he genuinely believes Ukraine is not an American issue. I disagree vehemently.
I think Trump believes Ukraine is primarily a European issue and the Europeans should be the leaders on countering Russian aggression.
If they don't, though, is it worth watching it from afar because we shouldn't have been the ones to do the legwork?
That's a really good question ad one where I think there are good people on both sides of the issue.
I think the last century taught us that it's better to get involved in situations that can potentially affect everyone as soon as possible, rather than wait for the problem to get worse.
But that's as far as I'm willing to go with having an opinion. I'm not even close to an international politics or military expert.
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As I see it...
- USA
- North America
- Tie. South America/Europe
- Australia
- South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
- Everything else.
And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.
I have an open mind.
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As I see it...
- USA
- North America
- Tie. South America/Europe
- Australia
- South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
- Everything else.
And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.
I have an open mind.
@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
As I see it...
- USA
- North America
- Tie. South America/Europe
- Australia
- South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
- Everything else.
And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.
I have an open mind.
I think a lot of people would argue that Russia's machinations have a direct and material impact on numbers 1-3.
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@Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:
As I see it...
- USA
- North America
- Tie. South America/Europe
- Australia
- South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
- Everything else.
And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.
I have an open mind.
I think a lot of people would argue that Russia's machinations have a direct and material impact on numbers 1-3.
@Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.
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@Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.
@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.
Well, there's that, too.
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@Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.
@Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.
Starting to wonder about China. The Belt and Road looks like it needs suspenders...
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I think China's plans are somewhat based on an assumption that the US is a power in decline. I think they are wrong in that. Our innate ability to right our own ship is something they lack.
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I think China's plans are somewhat based on an assumption that the US is a power in decline. I think they are wrong in that. Our innate ability to right our own ship is something they lack.
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Bakhmut has fallen to the Russians.
"Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08
The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.
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Bakhmut has fallen to the Russians.
@George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:
Bakhmut has fallen to the Russians.
It was by all accounts a Pyrrhic victory.
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Yes, but what it does give them, is a victory, of which they have had very few of late.
It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.
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Yes, but what it does give them, is a victory, of which they have had very few of late.
It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.
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Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.
My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.
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Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.
My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.
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An exercise in futility
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