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  • JollyJ Offline
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    Jolly
    wrote on last edited by
    #1661

    As I see it...

    1. USA
    2. North America
    3. Tie. South America/Europe
    4. Australia
    5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
    6. Everything else.

    And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

    I have an open mind.

    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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    • JollyJ Jolly

      As I see it...

      1. USA
      2. North America
      3. Tie. South America/Europe
      4. Australia
      5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
      6. Everything else.

      And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

      I have an open mind.

      Aqua LetiferA Offline
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      Aqua Letifer
      wrote on last edited by
      #1662

      @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

      As I see it...

      1. USA
      2. North America
      3. Tie. South America/Europe
      4. Australia
      5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
      6. Everything else.

      And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

      I have an open mind.

      I think a lot of people would argue that Russia's machinations have a direct and material impact on numbers 1-3.

      Please love yourself.

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      • Aqua LetiferA Aqua Letifer

        @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

        As I see it...

        1. USA
        2. North America
        3. Tie. South America/Europe
        4. Australia
        5. South Pacific, including Japan, the Phillipines and South Korea.
        6. Everything else.

        And past #3, I'll bend like Gumby.

        I have an open mind.

        I think a lot of people would argue that Russia's machinations have a direct and material impact on numbers 1-3.

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        Wim
        wrote on last edited by
        #1663

        @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

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        • W Wim

          @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

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          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #1664

          @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

          @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

          Well, there's that, too.

          Please love yourself.

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          • W Wim

            @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

            JollyJ Offline
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            Jolly
            wrote on last edited by
            #1665

            @Wim said in The Ukraine war thread:

            @Aqua-Letifer You're a little bit wrong. Depending on what Russia will/won't achieve, China will adapt its strategies to what the USA will/won't do.

            Starting to wonder about China. The Belt and Road looks like it needs suspenders...

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1666

              I think China's plans are somewhat based on an assumption that the US is a power in decline. I think they are wrong in that. Our innate ability to right our own ship is something they lack.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                I think China's plans are somewhat based on an assumption that the US is a power in decline. I think they are wrong in that. Our innate ability to right our own ship is something they lack.

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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by
                #1667

                @Mik

                What you refer to as innate ability, is the fact that the US has very robust institutions of democratic governance that have been built up and improved upon over time. Such is not the case for Russia and China.

                Elbows up!

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                • MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1668

                  Spot on.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • MikM Offline
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                    Mik
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1669

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/kremlin-preparing-russians-for-defeats-in-ukraine/ar-AA1blsKw?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=f5f9c7c659494501cc4c03ba113fdc6c&ei=55

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • George KG Offline
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                      George K
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1670

                      Bakhmut has fallen to the Russians.

                      https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-important-is-claimed-capture-by-russias-wagner-group-ukraines-bakhmut-2023-05-20/

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      • JollyJ Offline
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                        Jolly
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1671

                        The Russians are getting better.

                        OTOH, Ukranian pilots shocked the USAF recently. After rolling them through a brief F-16 simulator training, the Air Force thinks they can have the Ukrainians flight tested in the F-16 and combat ready in 120 days.

                        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                        • George KG George K

                          Bakhmut has fallen to the Russians.

                          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-important-is-claimed-capture-by-russias-wagner-group-ukraines-bakhmut-2023-05-20/

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                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1672

                          @George-K said in The Ukraine war thread:

                          Bakhmut has fallen to the Russians.

                          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/how-important-is-claimed-capture-by-russias-wagner-group-ukraines-bakhmut-2023-05-20/

                          It was by all accounts a Pyrrhic victory.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                          • JollyJ Offline
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                            Jolly
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1673

                            Yes, but what it does give them, is a victory, of which they have had very few of late.

                            It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.

                            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                            • JollyJ Jolly

                              Yes, but what it does give them, is a victory, of which they have had very few of late.

                              It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.

                              George KG Offline
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                              George K
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1674

                              @Jolly said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              It also puts the Russians into artillery range of two larger, more industrialized cities.

                              "If the enemy is in range, so are you."

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #1675

                                Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.

                                My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Renauda

                                  Prigozhin and the Kremlin can say what they want and, as the saying in Russian goes, try to make candy out of a turd.

                                  My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1676

                                  @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                  My hunch is that Bakhmut has not fallen to the Russians. Instead the Russians in Bakhmut have been surrounded on all sides by advancing Ukrainian forces.

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • MikM Offline
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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1677

                                    An exercise in futility

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-map-shows-how-little-ground-russian-forces-gained-over-5-months-at-a-cost-of-100-000-dead-and-wounded/ar-AA1byQMT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5575e05c2e041a0b750442dc4678c51&ei=35

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                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • MikM Mik

                                      An exercise in futility

                                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/this-map-shows-how-little-ground-russian-forces-gained-over-5-months-at-a-cost-of-100-000-dead-and-wounded/ar-AA1byQMT?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=b5575e05c2e041a0b750442dc4678c51&ei=35

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1678

                                      @Mik I wonder what Russian casualties have been in the same time period.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • George KG George K

                                        @Mik I wonder what Russian casualties have been in the same time period.

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1679

                                        @George-K Article says US estimates 100K Russian casualties, dead and wounded.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by Mik
                                          #1680

                                          Here's where Ukraine is aiming the offensive. Makes perfect sense. All are longer supply lines for the Russians.

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/conditions-created-for-offensive-as-ukraine-engage-in-large-scale-operation-in-three-identified-directions/ar-AA1bAaCR?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=68287780197248de9a78d7164a03a5c6&ei=17

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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