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    Renauda
    wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:25 last edited by
    #1509

    Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
      wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:36 last edited by
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      Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Jolly
        wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:49 last edited by
        #1511

        GROM

        https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/evidence-of-russia-using-grom-standoff-weapons-in-ukraine-emerges

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • R Renauda
          16 Mar 2023, 19:25

          Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

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          Jolly
          wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:53 last edited by
          #1512

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

          https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

          Old argument. Back in the day, I made the argument that the U.S. should buy some Frogfoots from the Russians, plonk some new avionics in them and give them refueling capability.

          They are a very capable airframe that can operate off of truly horrendous runways.

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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            Jolly
            wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 14:00 last edited by
            #1513

            https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovak-government-send-mig-29-fighter-jets-ukraine-pm-2023-03-17/

            Good. Now, I wonder how the U.S. program is progressing that allows NATO weapons to be used on Soviet and Russian aircraft?

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              Mik
              wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 20:11 last edited by
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              Putin was indicted before Trump! Who would have guessed that? It doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does put a little more pressure on him by further harming his international stature.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/international-arrest-warrant-issued-for-vladimir-putin-but-will-the-russian-president-be-taken-away-in-cuffs/ar-AA18LfJ8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=af5a6f5c9c564939b840bf42de05bd53&ei=32

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                Mik
                wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 17:05 last edited by
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                An offer he can't refuse

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • M Mik
                  18 Mar 2023, 17:05

                  An offer he can't refuse

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 22:45 last edited by Renauda
                  #1516

                  @Mik

                  Indeed it will be interesting to see what comes out of that summit next week, other than the usual overwrought theatre.

                  Elbows up!

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                    George K
                    wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 11:45 last edited by George K
                    #1517

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                      George K
                      wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 11:46 last edited by
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                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        19 Mar 2023, 11:46

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                        Renauda
                        wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 14:20 last edited by
                        #1519

                        @George-K

                        Theatre of the perverse.

                        Elbows up!

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                          jon-nyc
                          wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 11:14 last edited by
                          #1520

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 12:26 last edited by
                            #1521

                            Could be behind the reports of him looking puffy.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              George K
                              wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 12:37 last edited by George K
                              #1522

                              It's been said that the configuration of one's ears as unique as a fingerprint. Look at #1 and #2. They are the same person, based on the shape of the ear. I can't tell about #3. But, are they Putin? I dunno.

                              ETA: AHA!

                              https://news.yahoo.com/putin-using-body-double-listen-035201450.html

                              https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-body-double-mystery-finally-29121981

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 15:30 last edited by
                                #1523

                                Bluster and fear is all he's got left.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-to-blow-up-icc-with-hypersonic-missile/ar-AA18QozP?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eca961c8ad17487fa775fc6ced26b38c&ei=13

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 01:21 last edited by
                                  #1524

                                  As expected it was a whole lot of nothing other than more trouble down the road:

                                  https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/21/as-xi-visits-putin-allies-trumpet-new-era-but-offer-little-substance-a80559

                                  Elbows up!

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 02:09 last edited by
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                                    The only thing at all significant is the implication that if the parties don't come to a political settlement China will start providing lethal aid.

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • M Mik
                                      22 Mar 2023, 02:09

                                      The only thing at all significant is the implication that if the parties don't come to a political settlement China will start providing lethal aid.

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 02:12 last edited by
                                      #1526

                                      @Mik

                                      Like I said, more trouble down the road.

                                      There ain’t going to be a settlement.

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 02:13 last edited by Mik
                                        #1527

                                        Not while Russian troops are on Crimean soil.

                                        Chinese weaponry might make things uglier, but Russia still doesn't have an army worth a tinker's damn.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 02:21 last edited by Renauda
                                          #1528

                                          @Mik

                                          I fear you are right. Just over a year ago I think it may have been negotiable. The Russians have now made that not at all practicable.

                                          Elbows up!

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