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  • MikM Away
    MikM Away
    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1510

    Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • JollyJ Offline
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      Jolly
      wrote on last edited by
      #1511

      GROM

      https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/evidence-of-russia-using-grom-standoff-weapons-in-ukraine-emerges

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • RenaudaR Renauda

        Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

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        Jolly
        wrote on last edited by
        #1512

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

        Old argument. Back in the day, I made the argument that the U.S. should buy some Frogfoots from the Russians, plonk some new avionics in them and give them refueling capability.

        They are a very capable airframe that can operate off of truly horrendous runways.

        “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

        Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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        • JollyJ Offline
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          Jolly
          wrote on last edited by
          #1513

          https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovak-government-send-mig-29-fighter-jets-ukraine-pm-2023-03-17/

          Good. Now, I wonder how the U.S. program is progressing that allows NATO weapons to be used on Soviet and Russian aircraft?

          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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          • MikM Away
            MikM Away
            Mik
            wrote on last edited by
            #1514

            Putin was indicted before Trump! Who would have guessed that? It doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does put a little more pressure on him by further harming his international stature.

            https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/international-arrest-warrant-issued-for-vladimir-putin-but-will-the-russian-president-be-taken-away-in-cuffs/ar-AA18LfJ8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=af5a6f5c9c564939b840bf42de05bd53&ei=32

            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            • MikM Away
              MikM Away
              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1515

              An offer he can't refuse

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                An offer he can't refuse

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

                RenaudaR Offline
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                Renauda
                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                #1516

                @Mik

                Indeed it will be interesting to see what comes out of that summit next week, other than the usual overwrought theatre.

                Elbows up!

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                • George KG Offline
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                  George K
                  wrote on last edited by George K
                  #1517

                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                  • George KG Offline
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                    George K
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1518

                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                    • George KG George K

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1519

                      @George-K

                      Theatre of the perverse.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nycJ Online
                        jon-nyc
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1520

                        Only non-witches get due process.

                        • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                        • MikM Away
                          MikM Away
                          Mik
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1521

                          Could be behind the reports of him looking puffy.

                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                            George K
                            wrote on last edited by George K
                            #1522

                            It's been said that the configuration of one's ears as unique as a fingerprint. Look at #1 and #2. They are the same person, based on the shape of the ear. I can't tell about #3. But, are they Putin? I dunno.

                            ETA: AHA!

                            https://news.yahoo.com/putin-using-body-double-listen-035201450.html

                            https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-body-double-mystery-finally-29121981

                            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            • MikM Away
                              MikM Away
                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1523

                              Bluster and fear is all he's got left.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-to-blow-up-icc-with-hypersonic-missile/ar-AA18QozP?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eca961c8ad17487fa775fc6ced26b38c&ei=13

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • RenaudaR Offline
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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1524

                                As expected it was a whole lot of nothing other than more trouble down the road:

                                https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/21/as-xi-visits-putin-allies-trumpet-new-era-but-offer-little-substance-a80559

                                Elbows up!

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                                • MikM Away
                                  MikM Away
                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1525

                                  The only thing at all significant is the implication that if the parties don't come to a political settlement China will start providing lethal aid.

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    The only thing at all significant is the implication that if the parties don't come to a political settlement China will start providing lethal aid.

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1526

                                    @Mik

                                    Like I said, more trouble down the road.

                                    There ain’t going to be a settlement.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • MikM Away
                                      MikM Away
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by Mik
                                      #1527

                                      Not while Russian troops are on Crimean soil.

                                      Chinese weaponry might make things uglier, but Russia still doesn't have an army worth a tinker's damn.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • RenaudaR Offline
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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                        #1528

                                        @Mik

                                        I fear you are right. Just over a year ago I think it may have been negotiable. The Russians have now made that not at all practicable.

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1529

                                          Even if he can supply them, my impression is they don't want to fight. You cannot possibly win in that scenario, especially against a people fighting for their own land.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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