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  • M Mik
    16 Mar 2023, 18:43

    However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

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    Renauda
    wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:12 last edited by Renauda
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    @Mik

    I get that it is a recognized dilemma in this war. Nevertheless at least by sending Ukraine the Soviet era aircraft the NATO states close to Ukraine and Russia can modernise their air forces. As well, by supplying Ukraine with more air capability, Russia will continue to be held back from gaining any meaningful air superiority over a wide area in Ukraine.

    Besides this war is not about to end any time soon. We either support Ukraine to the hilt or not.

    Elbows up!

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      Mik
      wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:15 last edited by
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      Agreed. We have to stand fast here, regardless of duration. Otherwise we leave it that states can advance through military means.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        Renauda
        wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:25 last edited by
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        Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

        https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

        Elbows up!

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          Mik
          wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 19:36 last edited by
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          Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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            Jolly
            wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:49 last edited by
            #1511

            GROM

            https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/evidence-of-russia-using-grom-standoff-weapons-in-ukraine-emerges

            “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

            Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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              16 Mar 2023, 19:25

              Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

              https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

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              Jolly
              wrote on 16 Mar 2023, 22:53 last edited by
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              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

              Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

              https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

              Old argument. Back in the day, I made the argument that the U.S. should buy some Frogfoots from the Russians, plonk some new avionics in them and give them refueling capability.

              They are a very capable airframe that can operate off of truly horrendous runways.

              “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

              Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                Jolly
                wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 14:00 last edited by
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                https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/slovak-government-send-mig-29-fighter-jets-ukraine-pm-2023-03-17/

                Good. Now, I wonder how the U.S. program is progressing that allows NATO weapons to be used on Soviet and Russian aircraft?

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                  Mik
                  wrote on 17 Mar 2023, 20:11 last edited by
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                  Putin was indicted before Trump! Who would have guessed that? It doesn't mean a whole lot, but it does put a little more pressure on him by further harming his international stature.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/international-arrest-warrant-issued-for-vladimir-putin-but-will-the-russian-president-be-taken-away-in-cuffs/ar-AA18LfJ8?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=af5a6f5c9c564939b840bf42de05bd53&ei=32

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    Mik
                    wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 17:05 last edited by
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                    An offer he can't refuse

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                    • M Mik
                      18 Mar 2023, 17:05

                      An offer he can't refuse

                      https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-may-find-itself-receiving-an-offer-from-china-it-cannot-refuse/ar-AA18N2B9?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=062e341c21ec47eca9cfcaebb42f54fa&ei=27

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                      Renauda
                      wrote on 18 Mar 2023, 22:45 last edited by Renauda
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                      @Mik

                      Indeed it will be interesting to see what comes out of that summit next week, other than the usual overwrought theatre.

                      Elbows up!

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                        George K
                        wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 11:45 last edited by George K
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                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          George K
                          wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 11:46 last edited by
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                          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                            19 Mar 2023, 11:46

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on 19 Mar 2023, 14:20 last edited by
                            #1519

                            @George-K

                            Theatre of the perverse.

                            Elbows up!

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                              jon-nyc
                              wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 11:14 last edited by
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                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                                Mik
                                wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 12:26 last edited by
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                                Could be behind the reports of him looking puffy.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 12:37 last edited by George K
                                  #1522

                                  It's been said that the configuration of one's ears as unique as a fingerprint. Look at #1 and #2. They are the same person, based on the shape of the ear. I can't tell about #3. But, are they Putin? I dunno.

                                  ETA: AHA!

                                  https://news.yahoo.com/putin-using-body-double-listen-035201450.html

                                  https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/putins-body-double-mystery-finally-29121981

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    Mik
                                    wrote on 20 Mar 2023, 15:30 last edited by
                                    #1523

                                    Bluster and fear is all he's got left.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-threatens-to-blow-up-icc-with-hypersonic-missile/ar-AA18QozP?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eca961c8ad17487fa775fc6ced26b38c&ei=13

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      Renauda
                                      wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 01:21 last edited by
                                      #1524

                                      As expected it was a whole lot of nothing other than more trouble down the road:

                                      https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2023/03/21/as-xi-visits-putin-allies-trumpet-new-era-but-offer-little-substance-a80559

                                      Elbows up!

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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 02:09 last edited by
                                        #1525

                                        The only thing at all significant is the implication that if the parties don't come to a political settlement China will start providing lethal aid.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • M Mik
                                          22 Mar 2023, 02:09

                                          The only thing at all significant is the implication that if the parties don't come to a political settlement China will start providing lethal aid.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 22 Mar 2023, 02:12 last edited by
                                          #1526

                                          @Mik

                                          Like I said, more trouble down the road.

                                          There ain’t going to be a settlement.

                                          Elbows up!

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