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  • George KG Offline
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    George K
    wrote on last edited by
    #1488

    The most horrible thing you'll read today.

    Ukraine has accused two Russian soldiers of sexually assaulting a four-year-old girl and gang raping her mother at gunpoint in front of her father, as part of widespread allegations of abuse during the more than one-year-long invasion.

    According to Ukrainian prosecution files seen by Reuters, the incidents were among a spree of sex crimes Russian soldiers of the 15th Separate Motorized Rifle Brigade committed in four homes of Brovary district near the capital Kyiv in March 2022.

    Russia's Defence Ministry did not respond to a request for comment. Phone numbers listed for the brigade were out of order. Two officials at the Samara Garrison, of which the brigade is a part, said they were unable to give contacts for the unit when contacted by Reuters, with one saying they were classified.

    Most of the alleged atrocities took place on March 13, when soldiers "in a state of alcoholic intoxication, broke into the yard of the house where a young family lived," the prosecutors alleged.

    The father was beaten with a metal pot then forced to kneel while his wife was gang raped. One of the soldiers told the four-year-old girl he "will make her a woman" before she was abused, the documents said.

    The family survived, though prosecutors said they are investigating additional crimes in the area including murders during the same period.

    President Vladimir Putin's government, which says it is fighting Western-backed "neo-Nazis" in Ukraine, has repeatedly denied allegations of atrocities. It has also denied that its military commanders are aware of sexual violence by soldiers.

    The soldiers were both snipers, aged 32 and 28, the files said, adding that the former had died while the younger, named as Yevgeniy Chernoknizhniy, returned to Russia.

    When Reuters asked for the identities of both soldiers, prosecutors provided only the name of the younger man. When Reuters called a number in online databases for him, a person saying he was Chernoknizhniy’s brother said he was deceased.

    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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    • MikM Offline
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      Mik
      wrote on last edited by
      #1489

      Add another to the list of those I’d love to see hanged.

      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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      • RenaudaR Offline
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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by
        #1490

        A loathsome encore of the Red Army’s performance and march to Berlin in 44 and 45.

        Elbows up!

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        • MikM Offline
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          Mik
          wrote on last edited by
          #1491

          It's all our fault, y'know.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-tells-aircraft-factory-workers-in-buryatia-how-he-was-tricked/ar-AA18CsRA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eb8b7a6960fe46d5b1c1eb3fa1af59eb&ei=24

          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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          • RenaudaR Offline
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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #1492

            @Mik

            Indeed, Putin and his machine love to play the victim in this war. Here is a presentation on the subject that was published today:

            https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/playing-the-victim?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

            Elbows up!

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            • MikM Offline
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              Mik
              wrote on last edited by
              #1493

              Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • MikM Mik

                Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                Aqua LetiferA Offline
                Aqua Letifer
                wrote on last edited by
                #1494

                @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

                Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

                I can't possibly see how this doesn't happen.

                Please love yourself.

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                • CopperC Offline
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                  Copper
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1495

                  If you want peace

                  prepare for war

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                  • MikM Mik

                    Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

                    RenaudaR Offline
                    RenaudaR Offline
                    Renauda
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1496

                    @Mik

                    Putin is far more rational and calculating than many of his opponents give him credit for. He has a nose for weakness, including for his own fragility, but it is not infallible. He is fond of the good life. As Garry Kasparov pointed out, ‘Putin wants to rule like Stalin but live like Abramovich’.

                    Nails it.

                    Elbows up!

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                    • JollyJ Offline
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                      Jolly
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1497

                      Speaking of nailing it...

                      https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866745/Russias-Wagner-mercenary-group-puts-ad-PORNHUB-new-recruits.html

                      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                      • JollyJ Jolly

                        Speaking of nailing it...

                        https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866745/Russias-Wagner-mercenary-group-puts-ad-PORNHUB-new-recruits.html

                        MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by
                        #1498

                        @Jolly

                        Maybe it should be named the Wanker group.

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • JollyJ Offline
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                          Jolly
                          wrote on last edited by
                          #1499

                          The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...

                          “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                          Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                          • JollyJ Jolly

                            The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...

                            RenaudaR Offline
                            RenaudaR Offline
                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1500

                            @Jolly

                            They really don’t need comfort girls. WG
                            already has a policy encouraging its brigands to rape and pillage with impunity.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by Mik
                              #1501

                              A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

                              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

                                https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

                                RenaudaR Offline
                                RenaudaR Offline
                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                #1502

                                @Mik

                                Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                                Elbows up!

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                                • RenaudaR Offline
                                  RenaudaR Offline
                                  Renauda
                                  wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                  #1503

                                  Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                                  https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                                  Elbows up!

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                                  • RenaudaR Renauda

                                    @Mik

                                    Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                                    MikM Offline
                                    MikM Offline
                                    Mik
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1504

                                    @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                    @Mik

                                    Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                                    Yeah, blaming colonialism is SO 20th century. 😁

                                    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                                      MikM Offline
                                      MikM Offline
                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1505

                                      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                      Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                                      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                                      Anything that gives the Russians more to worry about is good.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                      • MikM Offline
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                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1506

                                        However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

                                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Mik

                                          However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          RenaudaR Offline
                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                          #1507

                                          @Mik

                                          I get that it is a recognized dilemma in this war. Nevertheless at least by sending Ukraine the Soviet era aircraft the NATO states close to Ukraine and Russia can modernise their air forces. As well, by supplying Ukraine with more air capability, Russia will continue to be held back from gaining any meaningful air superiority over a wide area in Ukraine.

                                          Besides this war is not about to end any time soon. We either support Ukraine to the hilt or not.

                                          Elbows up!

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