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  • MikM Offline
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    Mik
    wrote on last edited by
    #1491

    It's all our fault, y'know.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-tells-aircraft-factory-workers-in-buryatia-how-he-was-tricked/ar-AA18CsRA?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=eb8b7a6960fe46d5b1c1eb3fa1af59eb&ei=24

    “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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    • RenaudaR Offline
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      Renauda
      wrote on last edited by Renauda
      #1492

      @Mik

      Indeed, Putin and his machine love to play the victim in this war. Here is a presentation on the subject that was published today:

      https://open.substack.com/pub/snyder/p/playing-the-victim?r=17wfy3&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=email

      Elbows up!

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      • MikM Offline
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        Mik
        wrote on last edited by
        #1493

        Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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        • MikM Mik

          Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

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          Aqua LetiferA Offline
          Aqua Letifer
          wrote on last edited by
          #1494

          @Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

          I can't possibly see how this doesn't happen.

          Please love yourself.

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          • CopperC Offline
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            Copper
            wrote on last edited by
            #1495

            If you want peace

            prepare for war

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            • MikM Mik

              Interesting viewpoint, and true, I think. We need a plan for if things escalate.

              https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-is-preparing-for-a-nuclear-showdown-we-must-be-ready/ar-AA18EkYu?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=1539549b3ce245e8f032596c51b32527&ei=31

              RenaudaR Offline
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              Renauda
              wrote on last edited by
              #1496

              @Mik

              Putin is far more rational and calculating than many of his opponents give him credit for. He has a nose for weakness, including for his own fragility, but it is not infallible. He is fond of the good life. As Garry Kasparov pointed out, ‘Putin wants to rule like Stalin but live like Abramovich’.

              Nails it.

              Elbows up!

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              • JollyJ Offline
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                Jolly
                wrote on last edited by
                #1497

                Speaking of nailing it...

                https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866745/Russias-Wagner-mercenary-group-puts-ad-PORNHUB-new-recruits.html

                “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                • JollyJ Jolly

                  Speaking of nailing it...

                  https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11866745/Russias-Wagner-mercenary-group-puts-ad-PORNHUB-new-recruits.html

                  MikM Offline
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1498

                  @Jolly

                  Maybe it should be named the Wanker group.

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • JollyJ Offline
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                    Jolly
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #1499

                    The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...

                    “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

                    Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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                    • JollyJ Jolly

                      The French Foreign Legion used to be famous for their comfort girls. Maybe Wagner will adopt a similar policy...

                      RenaudaR Offline
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                      Renauda
                      wrote on last edited by
                      #1500

                      @Jolly

                      They really don’t need comfort girls. WG
                      already has a policy encouraging its brigands to rape and pillage with impunity.

                      Elbows up!

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                      • MikM Offline
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                        Mik
                        wrote on last edited by Mik
                        #1501

                        A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

                        https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                        • MikM Mik

                          A more detailed piece on the Russian claim that the west is to blame. A grain of salt, as it is written by Russian state media. An interesting view.

                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/unrest-around-russian-borders-shows-when-empires-crumble-they-become-murderous/ar-AA18HHXD?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=7536fce55e1b4b2fa423121c1e845622&ei=50

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #1502

                          @Mik

                          Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by Renauda
                            #1503

                            Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                            Elbows up!

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                            • RenaudaR Renauda

                              @Mik

                              Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have more holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                              MikM Offline
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1504

                              @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                              @Mik

                              Interesting yet perverted. His argument and logic have holes than a brick of Swiss cheese.

                              Yeah, blaming colonialism is SO 20th century. 😁

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • RenaudaR Renauda

                                Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                                MikM Offline
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                                Mik
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1505

                                @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

                                Poland to send fighter jets to Ukraine. Hopefully this will encourage other former WP members to release their Soviet era inventories to Ukraine. Better late than never.

                                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64975770

                                Anything that gives the Russians more to worry about is good.

                                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                • MikM Offline
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                                  Mik
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1506

                                  However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

                                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

                                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                  • MikM Mik

                                    However, more planes may not do much good, with both sides having effective ground threats to them.

                                    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/fighter-jets-are-worthless-over-ukraine-and-it-s-a-sign-of-what-us-pilots-and-troops-may-face-in-future-battles/ar-AA18IDMr?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=756ad92001b64cd7d3c6c6f1b1f9b445&ei=22

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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by Renauda
                                    #1507

                                    @Mik

                                    I get that it is a recognized dilemma in this war. Nevertheless at least by sending Ukraine the Soviet era aircraft the NATO states close to Ukraine and Russia can modernise their air forces. As well, by supplying Ukraine with more air capability, Russia will continue to be held back from gaining any meaningful air superiority over a wide area in Ukraine.

                                    Besides this war is not about to end any time soon. We either support Ukraine to the hilt or not.

                                    Elbows up!

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                                      Mik
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1508

                                      Agreed. We have to stand fast here, regardless of duration. Otherwise we leave it that states can advance through military means.

                                      “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        Renauda
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1509

                                        Here’s link I came across a couple of weeks back on the comparative relevance of the A-10 and SU-25 to the Ukrainian theatre at this time

                                        https://www.google.com/amp/s/theaviationgeekclub.com/su-25-vs-a-10-heres-why-the-frogfoot-might-be-better-suited-than-the-warthog-for-cas/

                                        Elbows up!

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                                        • MikM Offline
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                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1510

                                          Interesting. I wonder how much they are actually using them right now.

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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