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  • M Mik
    22 Dec 2022, 13:59

    Interesting piece on Putin and the real situation. Wordier than it needs to be, but worth it, I think.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-brain-and-the-ukraine-disaster-what-does-the-russian-leader-really-want/ar-AA15yKSa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=edc53d35afb94bc18bc016c6b84983f5

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    Renauda
    wrote on 22 Dec 2022, 16:31 last edited by Renauda
    #1321

    @Mik

    You’re right about wordiness and there’s also a lot of unnecessary anti-Trump squelch that detracts from the good points being presented.

    Interesting to read the Kremlin’s reaction to Zelenskyi’s visit and speech. Once again it is denying any responsibility for its ongoing aggression and placing the blame entirely in the US and NATO. I also it is playing up the delivery of the Patriot system. Makes sense as 99.9% of Russians have no clue that it is a purely defensive weapon against incoming missiles.

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64066584

    Elbows up!

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    • R Renauda
      22 Dec 2022, 16:31

      @Mik

      You’re right about wordiness and there’s also a lot of unnecessary anti-Trump squelch that detracts from the good points being presented.

      Interesting to read the Kremlin’s reaction to Zelenskyi’s visit and speech. Once again it is denying any responsibility for its ongoing aggression and placing the blame entirely in the US and NATO. I also it is playing up the delivery of the Patriot system. Makes sense as 99.9% of Russians have no clue that it is a purely defensive weapon against incoming missiles.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64066584

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      xenon
      wrote on 22 Dec 2022, 17:36 last edited by
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      @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

      @Mik

      You’re right about wordiness and there’s also a lot of unnecessary anti-Trump squelch that detracts from the good points being presented.

      Interesting to read the Kremlin’s reaction to Zelenskyi’s visit and speech. Once again it is denying any responsibility for its ongoing aggression and placing the blame entirely in the US and NATO. I also it is playing up the delivery of the Patriot system. Makes sense as 99.9% of Russians have no clue that it is a purely defensive weapon against incoming missiles.

      https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64066584

      “You’re forcing our hand by shooting down all the missiles we’re launching at you”

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        22 Dec 2022, 17:36

        @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

        @Mik

        You’re right about wordiness and there’s also a lot of unnecessary anti-Trump squelch that detracts from the good points being presented.

        Interesting to read the Kremlin’s reaction to Zelenskyi’s visit and speech. Once again it is denying any responsibility for its ongoing aggression and placing the blame entirely in the US and NATO. I also it is playing up the delivery of the Patriot system. Makes sense as 99.9% of Russians have no clue that it is a purely defensive weapon against incoming missiles.

        https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-64066584

        “You’re forcing our hand by shooting down all the missiles we’re launching at you”

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        Renauda
        wrote on 22 Dec 2022, 21:01 last edited by Renauda
        #1323

        @xenon

        The most common word in the Kremlin-speak this past year or so has become провокация (provokatsiya). It needs no translation. A was common Soviet term used throughout the Cold War against the West as well. It is supposed to help to reinforce the blameless innocence of the Russian state in its peace loving aggressive foreign policy and militarism.

        Elbows up!

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          George K
          wrote on 24 Dec 2022, 15:58 last edited by
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          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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            George K
            wrote on 26 Dec 2022, 13:05 last edited by
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            "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

            The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              Renauda
              wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 17:17 last edited by Renauda
              #1326

              Not sure about any these outcomes in 2023:

              https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63987113

              Still, I would wager any one of them is more plausible than a single one of Medvedev’s predictions George posted in the other thread.

              Elbows up!

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              • R Renauda
                27 Dec 2022, 17:17

                Not sure about any these outcomes in 2023:

                https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-63987113

                Still, I would wager any one of them is more plausible than a single one of Medvedev’s predictions George posted in the other thread.

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                Mik
                wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 19:17 last edited by
                #1327

                @Renauda

                I don’t either, but I sure like the predictions of retaking Crimea. From their lips to God’s ear.

                “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                • M Mik
                  27 Dec 2022, 19:17

                  @Renauda

                  I don’t either, but I sure like the predictions of retaking Crimea. From their lips to God’s ear.

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                  Renauda
                  wrote on 27 Dec 2022, 19:42 last edited by
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                  @Mik

                  Yes, it would be just desserts for the Kremlin.

                  Particularly in light of statements made by Lavrov and Peskov the last 24 hours:

                  https://www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2022/12/27/ukraine-pitches-peace-conference-even-as-russia-issues-threat

                  Elbows up!

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                    Renauda
                    wrote on 28 Dec 2022, 19:17 last edited by
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                    Why am I not surprised?

                    "We fight with our brains. They fight with numbers. Because their resources --we're not revealing some secret here -- are much greater than ours," he said.

                    In some locations, including in Bakhmut, photographs and videos posted by military bloggers and even the soldiers themselves point to outdated battlefield tactics that are reminiscent of World War-I trench warfare, in which waves of infantrymen advance across open fields and try to storm enemy trenches, only to be mowed down by gunfire.

                    "They just push and shove their way through. And a lot of them die. Because they have no tactics, nothing of the sort," another soldier said. "They just go like meat. There were some cases when the infantry said that they went in without any [armed vehicles], or without machine guns."

                    Full story:

                    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-kreminna-battle-recapture-russia-supply-lines/32197165.html

                    Elbows up!

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                      George K
                      wrote on 29 Dec 2022, 14:54 last edited by
                      #1330

                      Darth Putin posts another W.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
                        wrote on 29 Dec 2022, 14:55 last edited by
                        #1331

                        Meanwhile Catherine II goes away - again.

                        Thread:

                        https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1608367805170339842.html

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on 30 Dec 2022, 21:20 last edited by
                          #1332

                          Maybe the Russians should consider painting invasion stripes on their aircraft:

                          Elbows up!

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                            Mik
                            wrote on 30 Dec 2022, 22:11 last edited by
                            #1333

                            Rest in pieces.

                            “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              30 Dec 2022, 21:20

                              Maybe the Russians should consider painting invasion stripes on their aircraft:

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                              George K
                              wrote on 30 Dec 2022, 23:21 last edited by
                              #1334

                              @Renauda they need to hone their IFF software.

                              Maybe some new chips will fix that.

                              Oh...wait...

                              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                jon-nyc
                                wrote on 31 Dec 2022, 11:16 last edited by
                                #1335

                                Only non-witches get due process.

                                • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                                  31 Dec 2022, 11:16

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on 31 Dec 2022, 12:49 last edited by
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                                  @jon-nyc

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                    George K
                                    wrote on 31 Dec 2022, 20:50 last edited by George K
                                    #1337

                                    Actors:

                                    More:

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                                    "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                    The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on 1 Jan 2023, 14:25 last edited by
                                      #1338

                                      She's everywhere...

                                      She's a soldier, a sailor, a devout Christian, a flight attendant,

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                        George K
                                        wrote on 1 Jan 2023, 14:26 last edited by George K 1 Jan 2023, 14:26
                                        #1339

                                        Santa delivers some gifts in Ukraine.

                                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                          Renauda
                                          wrote on 1 Jan 2023, 19:46 last edited by
                                          #1340

                                          See in particular the embedded video from the BBC’s Moscow correspondent:

                                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64138731

                                          Elbows up!

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