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  • MikM Mik

    Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/russia-suffering-crippling-loss-in-ukraine-threatens-world-order-kissinger/ar-AA15mZZ1?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=312ff191994d47eca422f68f09b2ec94

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    Renauda
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    #1301

    @Mik

    At the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.

    So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.

    Elbows up!

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      Jolly
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      #1302

      Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

      “Cry havoc and let slip the DOGE of war!”

      Those who cheered as J-6 American prisoners were locked in solitary for 18 months without trial, now suddenly fight tooth and nail for foreign terrorists’ "due process". — Buck Sexton

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      • JollyJ Jolly

        Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.

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        Renauda
        wrote on last edited by Renauda
        #1303

        @Jolly

        Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

        Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

        Elbows up!

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        • RenaudaR Renauda

          @Jolly

          Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

          Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.

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          George K
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          #1304

          @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

          Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

          Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

          I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

          "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

          The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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          • George KG George K

            @Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:

            Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.

            Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.

            I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.

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            Renauda
            wrote on last edited by Renauda
            #1305

            @George-K

            I can’t imagine Ukrainian casualties being much different.

            Casualty estimates for both sides is a cloudy issue that’s for sure. I came across the following this morning breaking down confirmed Russian KIAs:

            https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2022/12/16/5-graphs-analyzing-10000-russian-soldiers-confirmed-killed-in-ukraine-a79699

            Elbows up!

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            • George KG Offline
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              George K
              wrote on last edited by
              #1306

              I saw this in the New York Times earlier today, and it's a long, LONG, article.

              This Twitter thread hits the highlights (lowlights?).

              https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1604142037770575872.html

              "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

              The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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              • LuFins DadL Offline
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                LuFins Dad
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                #1307

                Why do Russians have so much trouble with stairs?

                The Brad

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                • MikM Away
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                  Mik
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #1308

                  One Russian tank unit attacks another over argument. Love this. Maakes you wonder if one day the Russian occupiers may desert and turn Ukrainian. Wouldn't that be something.

                  https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/a-russian-tank-unit-deliberately-attacked-another-russian-position-in-ukraine-report-says-illustrating-vicious-rivalries-within-putin-s-army/ar-AA15q1Kf?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=85f3fc7219314acdbb1130fc1b59a9aa

                  “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                  • jon-nycJ Online
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                    jon-nyc
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                    #1309

                    Wow.

                    Only non-witches get due process.

                    • Cotton Mather, Salem Massachusetts, 1692
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                    • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                      Wow.

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                      George K
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                      #1310

                      @jon-nyc they'll have to leave the country to buy them, I assume.

                      Perhaps they'll also be encouraged by the musicians and circus performers at the front.

                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                        George K
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                        #1311

                        More mobilizations coming?

                        2/ This follows earlier indications that the Russian authorities are preparing to mobilise government and emergency service workers, including police officers and firefighters, as well as more civilians.

                        3/ According to the Baza Telegram channel, Moscow police officers have been given a list of items that they must immediately acquire for themselves, as early as today. They have reportedly been told their bags will be checked for compliance.

                        4/ The list includes items such as clothes, towels, a compass, a torch, an combat mission plotter, a day's worth of food, a one-litre flask of water and a first-aid kit. The officers were additionally ordered to pack a sleeping bag and a camping mat.

                        5/ The purpose of the order isn't stated, but as the Military Ombudsman Telegram channel notes, "for those involved in the army, the purpose of such a duffel bag is quite recognisable." /end

                        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                          Renauda
                          wrote on last edited by Renauda
                          #1312

                          Zelensky in Washington tomorrow?

                          https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64047058

                          Am seeing this on other sites as well.

                          Elbows up!

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                            Renauda
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #1313

                            Putin says war in Ukraine not Russia’s fault:

                            https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64055018

                            Sure glad he cleared up that question.

                            Elbows up!

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                            • MikM Away
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                              Mik
                              wrote on last edited by
                              #1314

                              During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation".

                              "For years, we tried to build good-neighbourly relations with Ukraine, offering loans and cheap energy, but it did not work."

                              Unreal. He blithely ignores Crimea, Georgia and 8 years of a border war on Donetsk and Luhansk.

                              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                              • MikM Mik

                                During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation".

                                "For years, we tried to build good-neighbourly relations with Ukraine, offering loans and cheap energy, but it did not work."

                                Unreal. He blithely ignores Crimea, Georgia and 8 years of a border war on Donetsk and Luhansk.

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                                Renauda
                                wrote on last edited by
                                #1315

                                @Mik

                                Not only unreal but truly delusional.

                                Elbows up!

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                                  George K
                                  wrote on last edited by
                                  #1316

                                  TFW you forgot it's picture day.

                                  Fki03U2X0AMHYJ9.png

                                  "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                  The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                  • George KG George K

                                    TFW you forgot it's picture day.

                                    Fki03U2X0AMHYJ9.png

                                    RenaudaR Offline
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                                    Renauda
                                    wrote on last edited by
                                    #1317

                                    @George-K

                                    Who are the others with Zelenskyi and McConnell?

                                    Elbows up!

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                                    • RenaudaR Renauda

                                      @George-K

                                      Who are the others with Zelenskyi and McConnell?

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                                      George K
                                      wrote on last edited by
                                      #1318

                                      @Renauda the woman (Can I say that?) is Sen. Collins from Maine.

                                      "In this handout photo provided by the Ukrainian Presidential Press Office, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (center) poses for a photo with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (second left), Senator Susan Collins (second right), Senator John Barrasso (left) and Senator John Cornyn (right) in Kyiv, Ukraine, on Saturday, May 14, 2022."

                                      It's an older photo, and I just posted it for the look on Zelensky's face.

                                      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

                                      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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                                      • MikM Away
                                        MikM Away
                                        Mik
                                        wrote on last edited by
                                        #1319

                                        His speech was fine though. Reaching out to the American people was smart. I do hope the reluctant incoming GOP congress critters get a clue as to how important this really is.

                                        “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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                                        • MikM Away
                                          MikM Away
                                          Mik
                                          wrote on last edited by
                                          #1320

                                          Interesting piece on Putin and the real situation. Wordier than it needs to be, but worth it, I think.

                                          https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/putin-s-brain-and-the-ukraine-disaster-what-does-the-russian-leader-really-want/ar-AA15yKSa?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=edc53d35afb94bc18bc016c6b84983f5

                                          “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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