The Ukraine war thread
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Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 00:26 last edited by@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
t is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.
The reward isn't for the aggression, it's for winning.
Or in the case of a negotiated settlement, the reward is negotiated. Stopping the aggression is worth something.
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wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 13:19 last edited by
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Kissinger says we should not crush Russia but should negotiate. He thinks Ukraine should cede territory to Russia. I will consider what he says, but it is near impossible to think Russia should be rewarded for aggression.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 14:55 last edited byAt the this point, Russia is only prepared to dictate terms of surrender to Ukraine that amount to nothing less than the unconditional surrender of its territory and sovereignty.
So no, in the foreseeable future it is folly to even consider the Kremlin could sit down and negotiate in good faith a stop to its aggression against Ukraine and, by extension, NATO.
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wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:02 last edited by
Somebody has to run out of will, money or bodies at some point.
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wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:37 last edited by Renauda
Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.
Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.
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Although it has an abundance of will to defend itself, Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.
Russia is flush with cash, has plenty of bodies in reserve and is sufficiently deluded to believe in its own infallibility to fight NATO indefinitely.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:40 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.
Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.
I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
Ukraine is out of money and running out of bodies.
Several sources claim > 90K Russian dead. If the ⅓ ratio holds, that adds up to 270K casualties.
I've not seen anything about Ukranian casualties. I imagine it's probably similar.
wrote on 17 Dec 2022, 15:52 last edited by RenaudaI can’t imagine Ukrainian casualties being much different.
Casualty estimates for both sides is a cloudy issue that’s for sure. I came across the following this morning breaking down confirmed Russian KIAs:
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wrote on 18 Dec 2022, 16:47 last edited by
One Russian tank unit attacks another over argument. Love this. Maakes you wonder if one day the Russian occupiers may desert and turn Ukrainian. Wouldn't that be something.
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wrote on 19 Dec 2022, 12:07 last edited by
@jon-nyc they'll have to leave the country to buy them, I assume.
Perhaps they'll also be encouraged by the musicians and circus performers at the front.
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wrote on 19 Dec 2022, 12:38 last edited by
More mobilizations coming?
2/ This follows earlier indications that the Russian authorities are preparing to mobilise government and emergency service workers, including police officers and firefighters, as well as more civilians.
3/ According to the Baza Telegram channel, Moscow police officers have been given a list of items that they must immediately acquire for themselves, as early as today. They have reportedly been told their bags will be checked for compliance.
4/ The list includes items such as clothes, towels, a compass, a torch, an combat mission plotter, a day's worth of food, a one-litre flask of water and a first-aid kit. The officers were additionally ordered to pack a sleeping bag and a camping mat.
5/ The purpose of the order isn't stated, but as the Military Ombudsman Telegram channel notes, "for those involved in the army, the purpose of such a duffel bag is quite recognisable." /end
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wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 04:25 last edited by Renauda
Zelensky in Washington tomorrow?
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64047058
Am seeing this on other sites as well.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 19:19 last edited by
Putin says war in Ukraine not Russia’s fault:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-64055018
Sure glad he cleared up that question.
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wrote on 21 Dec 2022, 19:24 last edited by
During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation".
"For years, we tried to build good-neighbourly relations with Ukraine, offering loans and cheap energy, but it did not work."
Unreal. He blithely ignores Crimea, Georgia and 8 years of a border war on Donetsk and Luhansk.
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During a televised address with senior military officials, the Russian president said he continued to see Ukraine as a "brotherly nation".
"For years, we tried to build good-neighbourly relations with Ukraine, offering loans and cheap energy, but it did not work."
Unreal. He blithely ignores Crimea, Georgia and 8 years of a border war on Donetsk and Luhansk.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2022, 02:26 last edited by
TFW you forgot it's picture day.
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wrote on 22 Dec 2022, 12:23 last edited by
@Renauda the woman (Can I say that?) is Sen. Collins from Maine.
"In this handout photo provided by the Ukrainian Presidential Press Office, Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy (center) poses for a photo with Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell (second left), Senator Susan Collins (second right), Senator John Barrasso (left) and Senator John Cornyn (right) in Kyiv, Ukraine, on Saturday, May 14, 2022."
It's an older photo, and I just posted it for the look on Zelensky's face.