The Ukraine war thread
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wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 16:40 last edited by
Saw that yesterday and meant to post it. Interesting indeed.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 17:20 last edited by
It lays out the situation pretty clearly. I hope our allies see it as clearly as we do.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 17:27 last edited by
@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
It lays out the situation pretty clearly. I hope our allies see it as clearly as we do.
NATO already said this is how they'd respond if a tactical nuke were to be dropped: no nukes on NATO's side, but yes, NATO is going to allow for Russian forces in Ukraine to be targeted directly and we're going to attack Russia in the black sea.
Who freaking knows whether or not Putin believes this, or cares.
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@Mik said in The Ukraine war thread:
It lays out the situation pretty clearly. I hope our allies see it as clearly as we do.
NATO already said this is how they'd respond if a tactical nuke were to be dropped: no nukes on NATO's side, but yes, NATO is going to allow for Russian forces in Ukraine to be targeted directly and we're going to attack Russia in the black sea.
Who freaking knows whether or not Putin believes this, or cares.
wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 19:31 last edited by RenaudaMy bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
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wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 19:46 last edited by
Pentagon maintains Iranian military specialists in Crimea training Russians in drone deployment:
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My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 22:38 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
So you think he wants nuclear WWIII?
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wrote on 20 Oct 2022, 23:32 last edited by
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
So you think he wants nuclear WWIII?
wrote on 21 Oct 2022, 03:08 last edited by@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
So you think he wants nuclear WWIII?
No, he wants to reclaim all lands and territories that he believes are historically and rightfully belonging to Russia. It is, in his mind, an absolute truth.
Moreover he spelled it all out detail in July 2021. No one took the mythology seriously at the time but he meant every word of it. Here, have at it:
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@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
So you think he wants nuclear WWIII?
No, he wants to reclaim all lands and territories that he believes are historically and rightfully belonging to Russia. It is, in his mind, an absolute truth.
Moreover he spelled it all out detail in July 2021. No one took the mythology seriously at the time but he meant every word of it. Here, have at it:
wrote on 21 Oct 2022, 04:00 last edited by@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
So you think he wants nuclear WWIII?
No, he wants to reclaim all lands and territories that he believes are historically and rightfully belonging to Russia. It is, in his mind, an absolute truth.
Moreover he spelled it all out detail in July 2021. No one took the mythology seriously at the time but he meant every word of it. Here, have at it:
It's amazing to read that and then look back at the news footage of the ramp-up to this war. Everyone and their mother was saying they weren't really going to invade.
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@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Aqua-Letifer said in The Ukraine war thread:
@Renauda said in The Ukraine war thread:
My bet is that he believes it though I am almost certain he does not in the least, care.
So you think he wants nuclear WWIII?
No, he wants to reclaim all lands and territories that he believes are historically and rightfully belonging to Russia. It is, in his mind, an absolute truth.
Moreover he spelled it all out detail in July 2021. No one took the mythology seriously at the time but he meant every word of it. Here, have at it:
It's amazing to read that and then look back at the news footage of the ramp-up to this war. Everyone and their mother was saying they weren't really going to invade.
wrote on 21 Oct 2022, 14:28 last edited by RenaudaThat’s right, virtually no one, not even the experts thought he would invade.
On the other hand Putin’s thesis did spell out to those who read it that he held the West and open democracy in complete contempt. It also laid bare his paranoia wholly warped sense of history. At least that is how I read and understood it at the time. Up to that point I was not only open to some of Putin’s grievances with the West but also the Russian claim to Crimea. His written rant induced me to revisit his actions over the past twenty odd years and during the course of the ensuing months leading up to the invasion, I realized just how much I had been error.
Putin represents a truly malevolent idea and force in the world, there is no dispute about that any longer.
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wrote on 21 Oct 2022, 22:21 last edited by
Don’t know what it means or what gave rise to it but under the circumstances it can’t make things any worse than they are:
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wrote on 22 Oct 2022, 00:32 last edited by
Not sure what that could mean other than seeking US support for peace - peace meaning carving out parts of Ukraine.
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Not sure what that could mean other than seeking US support for peace - peace meaning carving out parts of Ukraine.
wrote on 22 Oct 2022, 00:54 last edited by RenaudaMy gut feeling is that it had more to do with the current NATO exercises in Europe, Iranian drone specialists in Crimea and recent incidents involving Russian and NATO aircraft in proximity to one another and designated airspace.
Carving up someone else’s country fall within the job descriptions of Heads of State and their respective Foreign Ministers and Sect’y s of State.
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wrote on 24 Oct 2022, 20:46 last edited by Renauda
If past actions are any indicator, the Kremlin is the process of blaming Ukraine and, by extension, NATO, for an operation Russia itself is planning to execute:
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wrote on 25 Oct 2022, 10:59 last edited by
Lots of LNG heading to Europe - if they can take it in.
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