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  • taiwan_girlT Offline
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    https://www.axios.com/2024/04/08/private-colleges-transgender-women-athletes-ban?ref=upstract.com

    A national athletics association for smaller private colleges and universities around the U.S. adopted a new policy on Monday that bans transgender athletes from women's sports.

    Why it matters: The National Association of Intercollegiate Athletics (NAIA) is believed to be the first national collegiate athletic governing body adopt such a policy.

    NAIA did so despite having no knowledge of transgender athletes competing in its postseasons to this point, according to CBS Sports.
    However, all athletes may participate in NAIA-sponsored male sports, regardless of what gender they were assigned at birth.

    Catch up quickly: NAIA oversees around 83,000 student athletes at around 250 schools that are not apart of the National Collegiate Athletics Association (NCAA).

    Its adoption of the policy only applies to NAIA competitions. NCAA rules allow transgender athletes to compete if they adhere to the guidelines of their international sport governing bodies.

    Athletes governed by the organization will only be allowed to compete in women's sport if they were assigned female at birth, according to the new policy adopted by the NAIA's council of presidents with a 20-0 vote.

    Such athletes can participate in team workouts, practices and other activities, but not in interscholastic competitions.

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    • George KG Offline
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      Disappointment...

      Transgender swimmer Lia Thomas lost a legal battle Wednesday challenging an effective ban on trans women competing in the highest levels of women's swimming, dashing her hopes of making the Summer Olympics in Paris next month.

      Three judges on the Court of Arbitration for Sport dismissed Thomas’ request for arbitration with the World Aquatics governing body.

      “The panel concludes that she lacks standing to challenge the policy and the operational requirements in the framework of the present proceeding,” the court said Wednesday in its ruling.

      Thomas, who seldom gives media interviews, told ABC News’ “Good Morning America” in 2022 that one of her lifelong goals was to compete in the Olympics.

      With Wednesday’s ruling in place, she will be unable to participate in this month's qualifying trials to compete in the Olympics.

      Under rules established in 2022, World Aquatics banned transgender women who have been through male puberty from competing in women’s races. It also created an “open” category for which transgender athletes would be eligible.

      Gutfeld: "Thomas said, 'Okay, I'll take my balls and go home.'"

      "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

      The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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      • George KG Offline
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        #101

        Keith Olbermann, remember him, commenting on Reilly Gaines' tweet about monkeypox.

        "Now look here, you Baltic gas passer... " - Mik, 6/14/08

        The saying, "Lite is just one damn thing after another," is a gross understatement. The damn things overlap.

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        • jon-nycJ Online
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          #102

          Sorry, dude. You can untuck those balls now.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • HoraceH Online
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            #103

            Lance Armstrong feels just as good about his wins anyway. Maybe Lia and Lance have some personality traits in common.

            Education is extremely important.

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            • MikM Offline
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              The entirety of the text feels like a long awaited victory.

              “I am fond of pigs. Dogs look up to us. Cats look down on us. Pigs treat us as equals.” ~Winston S. Churchill

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              • 89th8 Online
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                Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

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                • 89th8 89th

                  Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                  LuFins DadL Offline
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                  @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                  Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                  Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                  The Brad

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                  • 89th8 Online
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                    Who knows. I'd imagine most folks there knew this was stupid to let a man swim with women because he likes the color pink among other cultural feminine norms, and only a handful of people who prioritize tolerance over sanity cheered him on as he raced the girls.

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                    • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

                      @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                      Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                      Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

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                      @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                      @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                      Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                      Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                      Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                        Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                        Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

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                        @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                        Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                        Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

                        I agree that the ideas I’ve been posting about here for decades are now validated by mainstream popular sociology.

                        Education is extremely important.

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                        • jon-nycJ Online
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                          jon-nyc
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                          #110

                          Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                          -Cormac McCarthy

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                          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                            @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                            Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                            Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                            Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

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                            @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                            @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                            @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                            Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                            Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                            Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

                            I’m not disagreeing, and I didn’t have enough time earlier to post my thoughts on how that extends in both directions. I am sure there were plenty of administrators and leadership at UPenn that personally opposed the decision to allow Lia to compete, but didn’t speak out for multiple reasons. I’m also equally sure that there are many happy to have had this decision actually taken away from the university and being given an out.

                            I just don’t think the collapse of the Trans moment is as complete as everybody seems to think it is. There are still true believers in positions of power in Universities, Medical Associations, Psychiatry and Counseling groups, and government. Everywhere from local school districts up through the highest levels. We’re only a couple of dozen of months away from President AOC reversing direction with a few signatures, and U Penn reinstating the guy’s records.

                            The Brad

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                            • jon-nycJ Online
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                              #112

                              Fair enough.

                              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                              -Cormac McCarthy

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                              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                                Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

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                                @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                                I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                                Education is extremely important.

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                                  jon-nyc
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                                  #114

                                  Hans Christian Anderson had it pegged two centuries ago in The Emperor’s New Clothes.

                                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                                  • HoraceH Horace

                                    @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                    Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                                    I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                                    89th8 Online
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                                    @Horace said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                    @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                    Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                                    I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                                    I mean you were in high school for like 9 years, so there’s a good chance for Kuran

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                                    • 89th8 89th

                                      @Horace said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                      Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                                      I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                                      I mean you were in high school for like 9 years, so there’s a good chance for Kuran

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                                      @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                      @Horace said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                      @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                                      Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                                      I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                                      I mean you were in high school for like 9 years, so there’s a good chance for Kuran

                                      Still smarter than Taylor Swift's boyfriend.

                                      https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/travis-kelce-hardest-part-hosting-snl-cant-really-read-1236445700/

                                      Education is extremely important.

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                                        "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                                        -Cormac McCarthy

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