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    Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

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      Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

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      @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

      Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

      Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

      The Brad

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        Who knows. I'd imagine most folks there knew this was stupid to let a man swim with women because he likes the color pink among other cultural feminine norms, and only a handful of people who prioritize tolerance over sanity cheered him on as he raced the girls.

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        • LuFins DadL LuFins Dad

          @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

          Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

          Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

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          @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

          @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

          Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

          Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

          Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

          "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
          -Cormac McCarthy

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          • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

            @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

            @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

            Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

            Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

            Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

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            @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

            @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

            @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

            Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

            Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

            Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

            I agree that the ideas I’ve been posting about here for decades are now validated by mainstream popular sociology.

            Education is extremely important.

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              Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

              "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
              -Cormac McCarthy

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              • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

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                @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                @LuFins-Dad said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                Indeed. I said a while ago that 50 years from now my grandkids will either be saying "Grandpa, how did you not accept trans whatever" or they'd say "Grandpa, how on earth did anyone think that's normal?", and I'm glad for now it seems we are returning to the latter...

                Oh, this ain’t over. Do you honestly think a single person’s honest opinion has changed at U Penn?

                Right but remember that a lot of people never agreed but went along out of ‘social desirability bias’. I think much of what we saw with the collapse of the trans movement was an old fashioned preference falsification - preference cascade cycle.

                I’m not disagreeing, and I didn’t have enough time earlier to post my thoughts on how that extends in both directions. I am sure there were plenty of administrators and leadership at UPenn that personally opposed the decision to allow Lia to compete, but didn’t speak out for multiple reasons. I’m also equally sure that there are many happy to have had this decision actually taken away from the university and being given an out.

                I just don’t think the collapse of the Trans moment is as complete as everybody seems to think it is. There are still true believers in positions of power in Universities, Medical Associations, Psychiatry and Counseling groups, and government. Everywhere from local school districts up through the highest levels. We’re only a couple of dozen of months away from President AOC reversing direction with a few signatures, and U Penn reinstating the guy’s records.

                The Brad

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                  Fair enough.

                  "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                  -Cormac McCarthy

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                  • jon-nycJ jon-nyc

                    Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

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                    @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                    Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                    I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                    Education is extremely important.

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                      Hans Christian Anderson had it pegged two centuries ago in The Emperor’s New Clothes.

                      "You never know what worse luck your bad luck has saved you from."
                      -Cormac McCarthy

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                      • HoraceH Horace

                        @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                        I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

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                        @Horace said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                        Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                        I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                        I mean you were in high school for like 9 years, so there’s a good chance for Kuran

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                        • 89th8 89th

                          @Horace said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                          @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                          Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                          I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                          I mean you were in high school for like 9 years, so there’s a good chance for Kuran

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                          @89th said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                          @Horace said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                          @jon-nyc said in Watching Lia Thomas win:

                          Kuran developed that concept when you were in high school.

                          I’m sure the ideas have been around for a lot longer than those particular labels for them have been. The social dynamics have been manifest and obvious forever.

                          I mean you were in high school for like 9 years, so there’s a good chance for Kuran

                          Still smarter than Taylor Swift's boyfriend.

                          https://variety.com/2025/tv/news/travis-kelce-hardest-part-hosting-snl-cant-really-read-1236445700/

                          Education is extremely important.

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